I just read Indiana won't teach cursive writing in public schools anymore.

@bagarad (14283)
Paso Robles, California
September 5, 2011 2:56am CST
They have decided it will no longer be useful in an age where most people type on computers. Can you think think of some reasons that would support continuing to teach cursive writing? Is it as useless in the modern world as Indiana thinks it is? How would the disappearance of cursive writing change life as we know it today? If people could no longer sign their names, how would that affect contracts, signatures as identification for voting, driver's license, credit card purchases, etc? How woud people communicate without electricty? What position do you take on eliminating cursive writing?
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• Philippines
5 Sep 11
Really? Would they stop teaching cursive writing? I believe that there is still a use of cursive writing. Most signatures are in cursive writing, right? Does it mean we have to change signatures? if that would happen, i guess signatures will be alike to others. Tell me, how would we make a unique signatures if we use the bold letter? I think there would be a big problem on this. Hope this change is for the better not for worse.
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@bagarad (14283)
• Paso Robles, California
5 Sep 11
I think the article said in such cases where a signature is needed you could hire someone to sign for you. Crazy, isn't it? I think they expect technology to change enough so that we will sign the contracts by typing on the computer as I already do for some, but I think this would make forgery easier.
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@Awinds (2468)
• United States
5 Sep 11
@stine1_reloaded. In theory print is much easier to forge. This means it is easier for identity thieves to copy your signature. However cursive is a more personalized writing style - it has more variety than print. In some cases (depending on the writer) the cursive is unreadable. Cursive makes it harder for one's signature to be illicitly copied and used.
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@Awinds (2468)
• United States
6 Sep 11
True, true. :)
• United States
5 Sep 11
I think that this is a bad idea. People should learn to write and cursive because it's another way to engage the brain into more hand-eye coordination. This might sound too basic of an idea that champions cursive writing, but there is something valuable in this skill. There was a time when my high school taught cursive and everyone had the same penmanship. It's a discipline that my school believed in because it taught uniformity and it also became part of the culture. Sadly, my school doesn't teach this to us. I still use cursive, but I don't cross my t's at the end of words that end with t because my school taught me that way. I know people who still write this way and I think that it's a wonderful thing. Also, how about calligraphy? Aren't there potential art students in Indiana who may want to learn calligraphy and typography?
@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
5 Sep 11
People actually do not have the same penmanship/script. I've read books about handwriting analysis and despite kids being taught how to all write cursive letters or print letters the same way, there will always be differences that go back to your personality. Some people write hard, others barely press at all. I like using pens that write easily because I don't press very hard - carbon copies are a bear for me. Some peoples' writing slants forward, others slant backwards, others are straight up and down. Some is very very messy, others are very very neat. Some use margins and don't need lines to stay straight, other people try to fit as much as possible on a page and would scribble up and down and ignore lines if there WERE lines. My daughter already seems to have her own writing style - unlike a lot of kids in her class whose writing all looks the same except for the name on the top, hers is definitely HERS lol. I also think it's funny that she forms her numbers the same way my husband does - but *I* taught her how to write numbers. He never did, but she writes them the way he does.
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• United States
6 Sep 11
Hi Mommyboo. Thanks for your response. I do agree that not everyone's handwriting are the same. At my high school, there was a point when the students were told to sign their names at a field trip. The person at the field trip venue wanted the class to sign up again, since it seemed that only one person signed in everyone's names. In fact, the opposite was true. Everyone in the class signed their own names but penmanship class taught them the same cursive style. I'm sure they all don't write the same way now, but you can still sometimes tell a Lasallian (what we call ourselves, students and alumni alike) from the way they write.
@bagarad (14283)
• Paso Robles, California
5 Sep 11
Not using cursive certainly affects handwriting analysis possibilities. Even as an amateur in this art, I've found it useful. It even helped us win a fight with the IRS, but that story is too long to share here. As for calligraphy, I'm sure those who really want to learn it will either take a special class or get a book and teach themselves. Much of it is printed, rather than cursive, though I've seen both styles.
@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
5 Sep 11
I do not think it is right to get rid of cursive writing. Even though I never was very good at it, I find that it does lend a distinction as to signature. If we all had to write in block letters, then these would be easier to copy so that it would be easier to pretend to be someone else. Also getting rid of cursive writing would mean that there would be no more desire to practice good writing. I have trouble with my wrist, but even then Iwill try to see if I can write and if later on I can read what I write. It also shows me how well it has been since my wrist accident.
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@secretbear (19448)
• Philippines
5 Sep 11
Hi Barb! It's just like you said. We still need cursive writing because that's how we sign our name. Unless they will accept initials or printed names as signatures which I think is definitely not recommended since it can easily be copied. If they don't want to teach cursive writing, then maybe they can copy what the Japanese and Koreans do. They use something like a stamp, it's short and circular like a crayon used to stamp one's name in a formal document. That way, they wouldn't require people to learn cursive writing.
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@bagarad (14283)
• Paso Robles, California
5 Sep 11
I wonder what you do if someone steals your stamp? I guess that would be another form of identity theft.
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@secretbear (19448)
• Philippines
5 Sep 11
It would be! Actually, I've seen a drama (or was it a movie?) that someone's stamp was taken and used by another person. The owner got into lots of trouble because the theft used it to sign different kinds of documents such as loans and everything.
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@carmelanirel (20942)
• United States
5 Sep 11
I read in the first box the debate over the signature and I have to also agree that, yes whether a signature or printed, it can be forged, but I believe that cursive is harder to do, especially if you have seen my signature... I am also surprised that Indiana is the first state to do this, correct? Because I thought if any state would take this action first it would be New York or California, not Indiana. I live in Ohio, next to Indiana and all I can say is, I am glad that Ohio isn't stopping this and that my son had already learned cursive writing..Because if Ohio stopped before he learned, that would mean I would have another subject to teach him since the schools are not..
• United States
5 Sep 11
Wow, that's scary..lol
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• United States
5 Sep 11
Really bafarad? That's even scarier...
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@bagarad (14283)
• Paso Robles, California
5 Sep 11
It's true that few clerks in stores really check your signatues on either credit cards or driver's license anymore. When you cash a check they may ask to see your picture ID, but they just write the number and don't even glance at the signature. They also don't look at what you write on those little digital machines you have to use to sign for purchases in stores. I read where someone experimented with signing Mickey Mouse and George Washington and Elvis Presley on those machines and no one even gave them a second glance. Is it any wonder it's so easy for identity thieves?
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@Awinds (2468)
• United States
5 Sep 11
I really think part of what is happening is everyone assumes that the future of all documents is digital, that paper will soon be a thing of the past. For example, ebook readers are trendy and paperbacks are the new "uncool." There is a huge push from a variety of sources for society to go completely digital. Cheaper processing, more convenience and all that crud. Maybe schools have noticed this and think that in the near future cursive writing will be irrelevant! Hey, everyone will be typing on computers, right? Wrong! If laptops and desktops with their keyboards were the only mainstream computers, then maybe cursive would indeed no longer be useful in the near future. But think about it. Tablet (touchscreen) computers are on the rise. The tablet is difficult to type on so many people are turning to digital hand writing. Digital handwriting is just like writing on paper - except the "paper" is a screen. This makes it possible to still sign contracts in cursive - digitally no less. Also consider this: when one goes to Wal-Mart and uses a check (that gets scanned) or a debit card, they must sign their signature on that screen thing. When one gets a prescription they must also sign the same screen thing. And what is that signature in? Cursive. If society goes digital, these screen things will just be more common. Cursive is not going away. As I have shown above, it is going digital. Cursive will keep its place in regards to signing documents. All the schools are doing is putting kids at a serious disadvantage.
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@Awinds (2468)
• United States
5 Sep 11
Very plausible. However finger prints are even easier to forge. All one has to do is wait for the victim to touch something - a door knob or take your pick. They then capture the print with a common finger print kit, then they make a copy of it and bam identity theft complete! But then again finger print readers may get more advanced, but then the print stealing methods may get more advanced... It is interesting. I just hope whatever the signing method is that it will be convenient.
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@bagarad (14283)
• Paso Robles, California
5 Sep 11
Who knows? Maybe in the future signatures will be obsolete as ID and we will have to use a fingerprint instead?
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@owlwings (43915)
• Cambridge, England
5 Sep 11
Italic handwriting - The teaching of good, clear handwriting is still an essential art, even when keyboard skills are also important.
I believe that the art of good handwriting is still an essential skill. Cursive hands developed partly from the need to write faster and, because of the fragility of a quill, from the need to not lift the pen from the paper so often. These days, when most people write in ball-point, the latter consideration is irrelevant. It is certainly also necessary to be able to type quickly and I can see it as reasonable that an education system, with only limited time available for teaching, should choose to concentrate of keyboard skills rather than handwriting. Both Indiana and Hawaii have recently made the teaching of cursive - what I would call 'joined-up writing' - optional. It would make a great deal of sense to continue to teach the art of writing by hand but to use script which more closely resembles modern computer and book fonts. The Italic versions of most fonts, in fact, derive directly from a style which became popular in Italy and was sometimes called the 'Humanist' style. It was far more readable and quicker to write than the other cursive styles of its day.
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• United States
5 Sep 11
Shameful to encourage illiteracy. IMO it show a real lack of education and class when a person cannot even write in cursive.
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@bagarad (14283)
• Paso Robles, California
5 Sep 11
I guess the powers that be think computer literacy is more important than handwriting. Perhaps this reflects the impatience and desire for immediate gratification so prevelant in our society.
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@p1kef1sh (45681)
6 Sep 11
If we can't write - and that is what will happen if we stop teaching it - then we lose some of our civilisation. Technology exists to make our lives easier but we are on the slippery slope to becoming the slave of technology rather than the reverse.
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@bagarad (14283)
• Paso Robles, California
6 Sep 11
Very well spoken. I think some people have already become the slaves of technology,since they can't seem to go anywhere -- even a walk around the block without being connected to something.
@jazel_juan (15747)
• Philippines
6 Sep 11
I hope they would not really do that, for me writing is an art..its like painting itself..i could remember back then when i would practice it again and again till its perfect. I even teach my daughter that. I still write my hubby letters lol i am hoping they would not pursue such.
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@bagarad (14283)
• Paso Robles, California
6 Sep 11
Just becasue a few school districts in America stop teaching cursive doesn't keep those who know it from continuing to use it. I've seem some lovely handwriting, especially in notes I've seen tucked in old books. For many it is an art form, and you are not the only one who feels that way, I'm sure. The day may come when people who never learned this beautiful way to write will envy those who do this lovely work. There's many skills schools don't teach that parents still pass on to their children -- knitting, embroidery, needlepoint, cooking, crafts, etc. I had to learn to read and write cursive in one day, which is one reason I'm not that good at it. I was promoted a half-grade because of a math skill my mom had taught me at home. I came to school that day and my desk wasn't there. They told me it was upstairs. In the previous class they had used printing. In the new class the teacher was wrtiing cursive on the board and I was expected to write it like everyone else. It's not rocket science. Yes, I had to practice a bit at home, but my mom helped me. There are very many workbooks written to help children learn different styles of cursive writing.
@Torunn (8609)
• Norway
5 Sep 11
I'm already annoyed with my pupils, their handwriting isn't really very good and I teach subject for which they have to write. Or use a lot of time to learn text editors that makes it easy to write formulas and numbers, which isn't really an option for all of them. Cursive writing is quite fast, I don't think I'd manage to get through exams etc without it. Writing one and one letter when you write on paper takes time.
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@bagarad (14283)
• Paso Robles, California
5 Sep 11
True. Cursive writing is faster. But the older you get, the messier it can get. I know it's true for me, especially as my arthritis gets worse. It got pretty bad in college, too, when I had to speed up my writing to get as much of what my professors said into my notes as possible. Students don't know how lucky they are to go to college with laptops these days.
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• United States
7 Sep 11
Hi Bagard, I just can't believe they would do that! I mean, we still have to write on paper sometimes. I know I do. But you know.. everything is going electronic. Docs don't even write prescriptions anymore.. it's all done electronically on a laptop and sent to the pharmacy of their choice. I still make out my shopping list by hand, but I know most people just type it up and print it or put it in their notebooks on their phones. I've done that before. I never thought that handwriting would be obsolete. Wow!
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@bagarad (14283)
• Paso Robles, California
7 Sep 11
If handwritten communication becomes obsolete, we would have to invent it again if a cyber attack made using electicty impossible. They are already trying to make paper books obsolete. People just assume nothing will ever happen to our electronic communications and our power grid that could wipe out ebooks, cell phones, email, web sites, etc. The good thing is if we can still read, it's easy enough to copy printed words to teach ourselves again. I suppose teaching spelling could also become obsolete if everyone startes texting instead of doing any real writing. After all, if we don't write by hand anymore and the spell-checker corrects our spelling on the communter, why teach spelling?
@Rick1950 (1575)
• Lima, Peru
5 Sep 11
Now I'm remembering this sentence 'Skillful hands make a clever head'. Imagine if nobody is able to take a pen and write with their hands. You will lose the skills. You will be lazy - It's only my opinion. I think it would lose willpower. Writing must not be eliminated and people should be able to do both - writing and typing.
@bagarad (14283)
• Paso Robles, California
5 Sep 11
Especially when the electricity goes out.
@catamari (127)
• Romania
7 Sep 11
If there people will increase the speed of writing our brains will explode. Jocking. I think is very useful to learn, to study, to know cursive writing. Just look at chinese cursive writing. There is an artistic way to think, to see the world, to understand deeper things around us. I believe cursive writing is very important to keep our souls, our spirit alive. We need to know to make more things slowly. Nowadays all things are very fast: cars, computers, classes. We need to take a look, to have a break. Our brains, hands are natural things. We are not robots. So, if we want to remain human being, natural, we need to keep cursive writing. For example I learn to write in English with cursive writing. I love to write on pace of paper with my hand. There I am myself. On keyboard... we are like machines, robots. And there on cursive writing each of us have very different letters, we are different. So there will be a big diversity of life. If all of us will use only keyboard to write, we'll be same. No diferences. We'll look like robots... Please teach cursive write to keep our souls, our personality, or characters alive!
@catamari (127)
• Romania
10 Sep 11
You are right. Even the computers invade our lives we'll remain human beings forever with our identity and characters. I just wanted to say that cursive writing explain deeper our feelings then typing on the keyboard. For example if I am happy my cursive writing is beautiful, if I am sad my cursive writing is little wrong. If I am in a hurry I'll write something strange, few people can read. So, cursive writing is more expressive that keyboard typing. I miss old snailmails, envelopes, so on:). If you type only to keyboard the letters are same all the time. Finally I belive we can write and send sometime again snailmails :). All of us will fell good to receive envelopes, to change sometime internet with papers.
@bagarad (14283)
• Paso Robles, California
7 Sep 11
Although I'm with you on wanting to keep cursive writing alive, I disagree that we become like robots if typing and that we will all be the same. We each still have a unique writing style, or voice, and each of us will be choosing and using our words differently. Our souls and personalities will still be very much alive and seen in our writing, even if we type.
@peavey (16936)
• United States
5 Sep 11
Others have covered the practical ways that cursive writing is used, but besides that, it just seems like a shame to lose yet another skill. We have lost so many over the last century or so. Looking over the arts, hobbies and so on, it seems that creativity is losing ground and I can't help but wonder if the loss of motor skills has something to do with it. If a child isn't trained to use those skills, how does that affect the development of the brain? Yet another experiment or another step in the dumbing down of America?
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@bagarad (14283)
• Paso Robles, California
5 Sep 11
I agree. I'm also a very amateur at handwriting analysis, and if people stop using cursive, we wouldn't be able to analyze handwriting as easily, since so much of it is only applicable to cursive writing.
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@GardenGerty (157674)
• United States
6 Sep 11
I had heard this earlier this summer, or another state is also doing the same, I am not sure. The other excuse they gave was that most people have illegible hand writing anyway and that there are other things that children need to learn in school that would be of more value. People will still continue to print, and printing would be their legal signature. Without power, people would still print, or they would drag out those old manual typewriters. However, I do not agree with all of the reasoning. I think like art, cursive writing is a necessary embellishment to our lives. It gives us reason to look for beauty. I have never heard people complimented for their beautiful printing. I do not know a lot about brain development, but I would also guess that learning cursive develops synapses that otherwise do not develop. I think this just means that people will have even less legible hand writing, because it is faster than printing and they will do something to join their letters together so that they may write more quickly.
@bagarad (14283)
• Paso Robles, California
6 Sep 11
All you say is true. Some graphologists even claim that one can actually change one's character or personality by changing one's handwriting. Handwriting analysis is based on interpreting certain characteristics of how letters are formed -- open and closed loops, slant direction, size of letters, zones of where tall and letters under the line fall, and other things. I can't remember much now, but people who learn, for example, to start consistenly closing a loop might develop the trait in his personality that those who close the loops have. That might be paying more attention to details or being less open -- I really can't remember what characteristic it was, but it was related. I haven't looked at those books in about 15 years.
@drannhh (15219)
• United States
6 Sep 11
Whether or not people plan to using cursive writing for other than a signature, in my view it is part of our history and should be common knowledge. What if there were a prolonged power out, think of the time it would take for people to communicate and/or keep records if they had to block print every letter.
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@bagarad (14283)
• Paso Robles, California
6 Sep 11
I would think that scholars would have to be able to read cursive to undertand documents and letters written by those who lived in an earlier time, before computers. Our founding fathers wrote many documents and letters which have been preserved as photographs in books, and some scholars get to work with the original documents. Lots of journals and diaries were written in cursive and are primary source materials for historians. Of course, it's not that hard for a student of history to learn to read cursive. It'smuch easier than Latin or Greek. Maybe next cursive will be moved to a college course for history majors.
@Hatley (163781)
• Garden Grove, California
5 Sep 11
hi I know there have been big changes but still we all do sign our names on document using cursive script and a pen so would that not be kept as most adults already know cursive script; l do hope this does not completely abolish cursive script.We would have to have a different way to sign our names then.I think we still need it in some places.
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@bagarad (14283)
• Paso Robles, California
5 Sep 11
Somehow, I think the old fashioned love letter would be less romantic typed or in an email. There is something about a hand-written letter that comes in the mail that one can hold and read over and over anywhere that I don't believe a computer can duplicate. Of course, if one has many girlfriends, I supposed computers make it easier to send the same letter to all.
@allknowing (130171)
• India
6 Sep 11
I suppose they will go back to the thumb impression days which incidentally is more authentic as no one can copy that unlike copying signatures. Having said that I really wonder how one could manage communicating if there are no typewriters or pc.s around when an urgent need is felt. Indiana knows better!
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@bagarad (14283)
• Paso Robles, California
6 Sep 11
I don't think they will stop teaching people how to print. Maybe they just really don't want to have to teach children how to read cursive writing anymore, since most of their reading will probably be in print or digital printing.
• United States
6 Sep 11
i dont think they teach cursive writing in us schools anymore either. i remember when i was in the 2nd grade and having a hard time grasping the cursive concept my teacher encouraged me by saying that i had to learn cursive because eventually thats all that people would write in. that eventually no one would even use print manuscript anymore. eventually i was able to learn cursive and i like it. my cursive writing is rather pretty if i may say so myself. i plan on still writing in cursive thats another persons problem if they cant read it.
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@bagarad (14283)
• Paso Robles, California
6 Sep 11
Many schools still do teach cursive, but books to teach it aren't selling as well as they used to. I don't know whether I should continue to stock cursive writing workbooks or not. You just keep using your beautiful cursive. Your friends and children will still be able to read it, and so will you.