Is the EPA out of control or just Stupid?

@bobmnu (8160)
United States
January 13, 2012 3:15pm CST
It seems that the EPA and green politicians have used the strong arm of the government to extort more money from businesses and down the line the consumer. It seems that there is a law and rules requiring companies that produce fuel to mix a new form of bio fuel into the mix. The problem is that there are only a few laboratories that are working to develop this fuel so there is non to be had. The Companies that make fuel have to pay the fine. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/10/business/energy-environment/companies-face-fines-for-not-using-unavailable-biofuel.html?_r=1 It was this same short sited thinking that lead to the ethanol requirement that lead to the food shortage, and higher prices because according to the law the ethanol was to be corn based, which is also the one of the basic food grains. This is just one of a hundred reasons why the EPA needs to be eliminated. Remember this is the agency that had CO2 declared a pollutant so they may be able to control your breathing or fine you for polluting the air.
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@peavey (16319)
• United States
13 Jan 12
Both. They're stupid and they're out of control. It might have been a good idea, but it's gone bad. The regulations don't make sense even in a make believe world. I remember a long time ago when my husband was working in the oil field and the EPA made them dig trenches around every well site. Why? To contain any possible runover from the tanks. What it did? Let the oil soak into the ground near crops. What sense did that make? None. They've become a lot worse as time has gone by. Rules about things that don't exist, then collecting fees from companies because they can't comply with the rules? Isn't that grounds for being declared mentally incompetent?
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@bobmnu (8160)
• United States
14 Jan 12
Like so many of the things the government does if you or I were to do this it would be called extortion and we would be in jail.
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@peavey (16319)
• United States
14 Jan 12
That's true and it wouldn't take long, either.
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• United States
15 Jan 12
Actually, if congress would have extended the $1 credit for bio diesel this wouldn't have been an issue. The other thing you should look at is the big oil companies have known this is coming and did NOTHING to meet these regulations. They are 100% fine with paying this fine, that is like you being fined a penny when you have companies making $30 BILLION in profits a year. If you want to complain about oil and national security, than look at what big oil is doing around the world. The government is trying to make these corporations honest by doing what the people want. And then you have the people who are calling for this are attacking them for listening.
• United States
14 Jan 12
Great find. I had to keep reminding myself I was reading an article from NY Times and not National Inquirer. I believe they must be both out of control and stupid. First off these penalties they pay should at least be going to fund alternative fuel technologies. But I'm pretty sure we can all correctly assume they'll be going to the EPA to create more nonsense. The EPA has literally become the green mob. The greatest crime syndicate ever. Not a single thing they have done on a large scale was worth a lick of salt other than to further funding for their operations. They use unfounded science to take peoples money. Let's not forget to note how the "successful" side where ethanol is being mixed into fuel is working out. Sure we use 10% less gas at the pump, but most cars have been shown to get an almost equal loss in miles per gallon... What have you accomplished with this? Less than nothing. At least having done nothing we could have kept food costs down. I could have just thrown corn in my gas tank and had better results. I can't give them credit for a single advancement. Wow they pushed for more efficient vehicles. No, the consumer market pushed for more efficient vehicles when fuel costs went up. If the EPA did anything few cars would be more fuel efficient than the minimum standard, but that is far from the case. To further it their strict emission standards may have reduced emissions, but yet again, all research has shown that it still reduces fuel efficiency. Actually now that I start contemplating this, maybe their controlled by the oil industry since everything they've done has actually been shown to decrease gas mileage. You now drive cleaner at the cost of more gas. Congratulations, you fuel consumption just increased to save the environment.
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@sierras236 (2740)
• United States
14 Jan 12
I labeled them stupid as soon as they declared CO2 a pollutant. President Obama is letting them get away with way too much.
• United States
15 Jan 12
This bill was signed in 2007. This was Bush's baby!!!
• United States
15 Jan 12
Still stupid.
• United States
15 Jan 12
This was NOT "the government to extort more money from businesses and down the line the consumer", it was actually what the country needs. We need to find ways to power our own vehicles with what we have in this country. The law wouldn't have effected these oil companies if they actually up their bio plants up and running, instead of getting tax breaks and grants to do NOTHING!!! There are three bio plants in my area of the country, two small companies, and one BP plant. One of those closed because congress didn't extend that $1 per gallon credit. One has been running for 3 years and does VERY well. The third is a BP plant that has reportedly received millions in grants and government subsidizes along with tens of millions from BP and has produced much of anything. If the large oil companies would continued to spend money on these plants this wouldn't be an issue. But, they make the VAST majority of their money on oil why would you try to recreate that wheel? But, people like YOU Bob should want to the EPA to force big oil's feet to the flame. Our own national security is effected by the lack of interest in this technology. This also could eliminate farm subsidizes 100% because it drives the price for corn up, and even makes bad years for farms profitable. I am sure that it makes you happy to see farmers out there getting paid about the same amount of money for planting their crops as a farmer that sits on his but and does nothing. This will eliminate this. Now there are other ways to get ethanol, but the US refuses to deal with Cuba because of their leadership (yet, we deal with China, and we all know how great China has been when it comes to human rights? Remember Tiananmen Square?).
@bobmnu (8160)
• United States
25 Jan 12
You mention that Congress failed to pass the $1 per gallon tax credit. Isn't that just another "loophole" for Big Business. Why not let the Free Market decide what is the best alternative fuel. For years I have been reading about alternative energy sources and some seem promising. The problem is the government is picking and choosing the ones to fund based not on practicality but what will get the most votes in the next election. In my area we have an ethanol plant that is struggling because they do not use a Corn Based fuel but rather a mixture and they were successful until the government changed the rules. Once the government is involved companies can not afford to develop alternatives other than the ones with the government blessing. Several years ago companies were looking at a liquefied coal, hydrogen and natural gas as alternatives fuels for cars. Now it has to be electric or a bio fuel because that is what the government is subsidizing. If it were up to the government we would all still be riding horses and burning candles at night. It takes the free market to bring new ideas to life.
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@mehale (2200)
• United States
28 Jan 12
I will probably get slammed for saying this, but in my opinion not only is the EPA out of control, so is our government. If they would realize just how much laws like these drive the cost of living up, and therefore the damage that they do to an already weak economy, maybe things could be fixed....but then again I am not even sure they care. While I agree that the green technologies can and do produce jobs, if the plants can't afford to stay in operation, or create the needed products then how long will those jobs last? It would seem not long, thereby again damaging our economy and job market. We really need to get these fools under control, but I doubt that will happen any time soon.