Famine: IN THE USA?
@redyellowblackdog (10629)
United States
March 17, 2009 6:29am CST
Yes, it is true.
The 0bama administration is proposing regulations that could make it difficult for small farms to stay in business. Read more here.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=92002
I say this is exactly how famine came to Zimbabwe. The government stuck its nose into an ongoing working fine agricultural system in order to make it better.
This is the sort of thing that would lead to government helicopters flying around rural areas looking for illegal vegatable gardens.
I promise you that if the small farmers are run out of business, there will be both higher food prices and a shortage.
What do you say?
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@James72 (26790)
• Australia
17 Mar 09
And my 5000th response goes too......
It has been said in Australia on many occasions that it was "on the sheeps back" that carried us through tough times in the past. We should never underestimate the core fundamentals of a nation's structure and agriculture is most definitely a pivotal piece of the foundation stone. I don't know enough about the Zimbabwean situation to make any intelligent comment for comparison's sake, but the tighter you squeeze the local producers, the greater the reliance on international providers because the locals just won't be able to sustain themsleves and they'll close up shop.
As the article you provided correctly states in my opinion - "The government should focus on regulating food production in countries such as China and Mexico rather than burdening small and organic farmers in the U.S. with overreaching regulations." Increase the dependence on local supply and demand rather than open the door for more offshore transactions to take place. It's not bloody rocket science! The domino effect will be astronomical if local production in this regard is squeezed tightly to the point of implosion.
On the flip side, regulation is not such a bad thing IF managed constructively, but I can't help but feel the overwhelming desire for control will eat up any semblance of reasoning. There's bound to be a tax play in all of this too in the long run. Heaven forbid if anyone were to be too self-sufficient! And let's not leave out the resources many of the smaller producers will need to hire just to handle the burgeoning reporting and compliance requirements! Margins are slim enough already in the US for this industry I'm sure. 
It has been said in Australia on many occasions that it was "on the sheeps back" that carried us through tough times in the past. We should never underestimate the core fundamentals of a nation's structure and agriculture is most definitely a pivotal piece of the foundation stone. I don't know enough about the Zimbabwean situation to make any intelligent comment for comparison's sake, but the tighter you squeeze the local producers, the greater the reliance on international providers because the locals just won't be able to sustain themsleves and they'll close up shop.
As the article you provided correctly states in my opinion - "The government should focus on regulating food production in countries such as China and Mexico rather than burdening small and organic farmers in the U.S. with overreaching regulations." Increase the dependence on local supply and demand rather than open the door for more offshore transactions to take place. It's not bloody rocket science! The domino effect will be astronomical if local production in this regard is squeezed tightly to the point of implosion.
On the flip side, regulation is not such a bad thing IF managed constructively, but I can't help but feel the overwhelming desire for control will eat up any semblance of reasoning. There's bound to be a tax play in all of this too in the long run. Heaven forbid if anyone were to be too self-sufficient! And let's not leave out the resources many of the smaller producers will need to hire just to handle the burgeoning reporting and compliance requirements! Margins are slim enough already in the US for this industry I'm sure. 
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@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
17 Mar 09
I just became a small farmer last year. When I saw tomatoes for $2.50 per pound, I knew I could compete. It is not only tomatoes. Check out the price of yams, beets, and many others. On my 20 acres I can profitably raise many crops. So, could lot's of people.
You mentioned margins. You got that right. Diesel fuel for the tractor and fertilizer for the crops are not cheap and can not be done without.
Thanks, for the honor of number 5000!
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@whiteheather39 (24403)
• United States
17 Mar 09
Congratulations on your 5,000 posts.
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@MaryLynn321 (2680)
• United States
18 Mar 09
Heck if they aren't careful next they will be telling those that grow extra veggies to sell to others, if they have too much, that they can't do that either.
I can understand the worry about contamination, but enough is enough.
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@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
20 Mar 09
This problem of "contamination" is why most Americans can not eat some vegetables without getting sick when visiting in Mexico.
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@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
18 Mar 09
The problem with contamination is known. Mostly it is from large producers hiring illegals who brought their poor hygene with them. Rather than walk to the porta potties some of these workers go in the field right where they are. Viola! Contamination. People in AG have known about this but the msm won't print it.
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@MaryLynn321 (2680)
• United States
20 Mar 09
So very true. Funny thing is years ago, they had no port a pots. And they didn't have contamination, well at least not that we know of.
People have been harvesting for years, you would think theses farmers would have outhouses with the lime in them at the end of their fields. But, why should they bother and make things better for the cheaper labor.
You would think that the farmers would want the best for their workers to eliminate problems in the fields.
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@suspenseful (40192)
• Canada
18 Mar 09
I have a cousin who is married to a Russian and from my aunt, I learned how things were like in Communist Russia, or rather the Ukraine where they lived. I also saw the news photos of the long lineups for food and for what are needs. Imagine an America like that. No not a horrible science fiction show, but a few years or maybe a couple of years from now if Obama continues his policies, Americans may be lining up for the necessities.
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@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
18 Mar 09
A similarity of the Stalin induced starvation of the Urkraine and 0bama's anti freedom policies is that the press in the U.S.A. did not write much about either when there was still time for it to do some good.
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@suspenseful (40192)
• Canada
18 Mar 09
I did not learn about it, until I read articles in our local papers about people who immigrated from the Ukraine and told of their stories and one even wrote a book on the subject. Of course this was years after the event. So I am afraid that we will not know if there are any victims of famine, unless they are a visible minority.
Why I did not learn that many of the people who were being helped in the Appalachians by Second Harvest were not all African-Americans or Native Indians but were like you and I until I saw one of their commercials.
@Barb42 (4214)
• United States
17 Mar 09
I just read that article last night. I think this is a true case of the government sticking it's nose in where it has absolutely no business! Talk about putting the little guy out of business! I was thinking of having a garden this year and doing some canning or freezing for hard times. I wouldn't be in business, but I would be growing vegetables which would be wrong according to them. I think we are having a government take over. And who would have ever thought,until this president, it could ever happen! They say they are doing this because of the scare we had from the tainted vegetables. But I don't believe that's the reason. It's just one more way of them getting closer to a complete takeover.
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@ihearttinytim (614)
• United States
17 Mar 09
I feel, and this is my personal opinion, that we are in the proverbial "end times." I also feel this is only the birthing paings of the revealing of the Anti-Christ. I ask that everyone at least read these passages to get a feel for where I am coming from in my opinion. After reading all of these short verses, it actually makes a lot of sense when you pair what is going on lately in our world - including our weather patterns and the increased earthquakes.
Wars and rumors of wars = Matthew 24:6
Famines and earthqaukes = Matthew 24:7 (On January 26, 2001, there was an earthquake in India that registered 7.9 on the Richter scale; twenty to thrity-thousand people were killed and over five-hundred thousand were left homeless).
Tribulations = Matthew 24:8-9 (Our economy is a good example of a tribulation).
False prophets = Matthew 24:11
Increasing selfishness & greed = II Timothy 3:1-7
Two million man army (China reached this in the 1960's) = Revelation 9:16
Redevelopement of Roman Empire = Daniel 2:40-43
Return of Hebrew language to Israel = Zephaniah 3:9
Rebuilding of Temple (by the Anti-Christ) = Daniel 9:26-27 & Revelation 11:2
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@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
17 Mar 09
0bama is not serious about protecting us from tainted vegetables. He is serious about increasing the power of government.
As to the end times, I'm not prepared to say it is not that time, but I do doubt it. We still can vote 0bama out of office.
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@Barb42 (4214)
• United States
18 Mar 09
Ihearttinytim, I certainly agree with you. I have no idea when the Lord will return, but watching the signs of the times, it can't be that long. So much has happened that just lines us up for his return. I just watched a video of the parallels of the time of Jesus and now, and it all is lined up. He could come any time.
"0bama is not serious about protecting us from tainted vegetables. He is serious about increasing the power of government."
Red, you are right. He could care less about protecting the people. He's doing every thing in his power to take over the country and become the Messiah of a one-world government!
"As to the end times, I'm not prepared to say it is not that time, but I do doubt it. We still can vote 0bama out of office."
Red, IF the Lord tarries, we can vote him out of office. I listened to a talk show this afternoon on the way to the soccer game, and they were talking about 2010's election. I think it's about 36 seats that are up for grabs then, including Harry Reid's. They were saying the people should be going after those right now. I don't think that Harry Reid will be replaced, but perhaps some of the others can. Nancy Pelosi won her seat this last time, so she will be there awhile longer for sure. She probably has it 'bought' anyway!
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@lynnemg (4529)
• United States
18 Mar 09
For many years now I have been saying that the government is trying to slowly strip us of all our Rights. Slowly, we are becoming more of a dictatorship than a democracy, and it is sad. The government should not be rying to regulate everything like they are trying to do. In all honesty, I think that the government wants us to be in a situation where they control absolutely everything and we have no Rights and are unable to even make our own decisions.
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@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
18 Mar 09
Yes, for some reason those who aspire to government also believe they know better than anyone else. I guess if we let them get away with it, they are right.
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@PrarieStyle (2486)
• United States
18 Mar 09
I'll have a garden in my attic or something. I'll grow food in my bedroom if I have to. I'll be darned if I'm told I can't grow my own food. Especially when super hyper inflation will be in all the stores.
I also heard they are planning to start taxing us for every animal we own. Something to do with the gas and lol, Global Warming.
How are the big animal farms supposed to keep going then?
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@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
18 Mar 09
The business of taxing the animals has actually been talked about for some time. Even before 0bama got elected. Americans are just going to have to be less trusting of our leaders, become more informed on the issues, and vote more intelligently. Jeesh... we elected 0bama!
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@PrarieStyle (2486)
• United States
19 Mar 09
It's time we got back to our values anyway. It's time we all learn more about how our government works. Time we start exercising our right to be our government. Not just sit back waiting for our government to take care of us.
I knew the gas stuff was in the works before. I'm quite sure I saw a news clip of how the government (meaning us) funds cow gas research and lol, Global Warming. We all know who's behind crap, (pun intended) like this.
Now if you will excuse me, I was about to head into the bathroom and turn on the vent fan...
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@whiteheather39 (24403)
• United States
17 Mar 09
OMG does that include my tomato plant!! Now I shall be watching the sky for helicopters. Seriously I hope it does not increase food price, we do not need anymore increases. I wonder if that will affect local farmer markets? I hope not!
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@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
17 Mar 09
Well, the bad part is this sounds a lot like what happened under Hugo Chavez and to a lesser extend, Robert Mugabe. The good part is this would take years to put in effect and there will be plenty of opposition. Time to vote these people proposing this crap out of office.
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@Destiny007 (5805)
• United States
17 Mar 09
I agree. This is a bad idea all the way around.
We are well on our way to becoming a fascist police state.
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@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
17 Mar 09
The right of free speech and assembly is more important than ever before. We must speak out and organize to vote 0bama and all like him out of office.
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@twoey68 (13627)
• United States
18 Mar 09
I heard about this the other day. I don't think it's so much they are "sticking their nose in" as much as they are wanting to control ppl. Look at like this: My Dad grows his own veggies and fruits and raises his own meat and gets his own eggs from the chickens. All of those things save him alot of money when it comes to buying food. Thats money that stays in his pocket rather than being paid out to a store and taxes. Now, if the government restricts his gardening and livestock, he'll be forced to either buy the outrageously priced taxed foods at the store or go hungry.
Now for those that can't afford it, they'll have to turn to foodstamps eventually. When that happens the government owns you. That gives them the power to say "you want your foodstamps this month, do X amount of hours of community service" (community service being one of 0bama's pet projects). Ppl would have no choice but to do it.
As for the farmers, if it's their land that they own and they want to grow their own foods and raise their own livestock that's their own business...the only way the government should have anything to say about it is if their selling it to the public and then only to make sure that it's not contaminated or anything.
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@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
18 Mar 09
Actually, the government does not even need to get involved if you are selling to the public. The tort system in the U.S.A. is so onerous to those who are negilent that the government need only a minimal role in regulating anything.
@Yestheypayme2dothis (7874)
• United States
19 Mar 09
We cannot afford this. The prices for fruits and vegetables are too high as it is. I am also noticing that they don't last long. They go bad faster. It must be because people are not buying as much due to the higher prices.
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@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
19 Mar 09
Yes, I think you are right. If they actually do this thing about regulating crops and commerce it will be a sad day in America.
I wonder if 0bama realizes he is seriously causing people to consider taking their states out of the United States of America? If some southern state started a secession movement, I might move there if they actually did it.
@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
20 Mar 09
There have been some myLot discussions barely touching on this subject.
@Yestheypayme2dothis (7874)
• United States
19 Mar 09
This would make an excellent discussion.
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@baileycows (3665)
• United States
17 Mar 09
I think that is a big problem. The government wants to stick their nose into everything now. We need to get rid of the government. It is to big already and to me it is your choice if you want to buy from your neighbor or the old man on the side of the road. Nobody forces you to get fresh fruits and veggies. They are wanting to force everyone to have to buy their genetically mutated veggies from the supermarket
I hate to see it really. So not sure if I caught this or not, but can I still grow my own food for just my family to eat? If this is not the case then this is just a pile of horse manure.
I hate to see it really. So not sure if I caught this or not, but can I still grow my own food for just my family to eat? If this is not the case then this is just a pile of horse manure. 2 people like this
@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
17 Mar 09
Right now, everyone can still grow anything they want. These are only proposed regulations. It only shows what 0bama would like to do, not what is being done.
I will be watching this closely. I just became a small farmer last year.
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@MysticTomatoes (1053)
• United States
19 Mar 09
I think that anytime the government interferes in things that don't need governmental imput, things get effed up. Just as you said in Zimbabwe, the system they had was working fine. Then in comes the government demanding that everyone do it their way and now look.
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@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
19 Mar 09
"Now LOOK!" is right. Reminds me of the story in the bible of the GARDEN OF EDEN. Adam and Eve learned the difference between GOOD and EVIL and lost their paradise. Substitute FAIR and NOT FAIR for good and evil and you have the story of how Rhodesians lost their paradise. All the changes in the agriculture system that resulted in the famine were the result of chosing what was GOOD or FAIR as a opposed to what was perceived to be EVIL or NOT FAIR.
@MysticTomatoes (1053)
• United States
19 Mar 09
Government is never a substitute for anything good.
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@mswengel (95)
• United States
17 Mar 09
BINGO. You are right on.
Don't forget that Obama isn't stupid. He knows exactly what would turn the economy around and is doing the exact opposite! He is serving the illegal international cabal of bankers that are trying to set up a truly global government.
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@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
17 Mar 09
I suspect you are right. It will be interesting to see the 0BAMA DECEPTION just released by Alex Jones.
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