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myLot reputation of 80/100. whiteheather39 (15570)   ranked 195 out of 3,984 in politics 3 years ago

Viral video makes Hebrew word connection to latest White House occupant
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mK_zh-X21f0

For centuries, many have wondered about the identity of a biblical leader who will do Satan the devil's bidding, trying to thwart the plans of Jesus Christ shortly before His prophesied return to Earth.

That character has come to be known as "the antichrist," even though the Bible never uses that word to describe any single person.

Now, after endless speculation suggesting Presidents John F. Kennedy, Franklin Roosevelt, Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush could possibly be the End Times Bad Boy, there's a new viral video placing the current occupant of the White House into the club.

An American Christian has produced a brief film for YouTube that connects one statement by Jesus in the Gospel of Luke to President Barack Obama.

His 4-minute video focuses on the direct quote: "I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven." (Luke 10:18)
Youtube Video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mK_zh-X21f0

"When I started doing a little research, I found the Greek word for 'lightning' is 'astrape', and the Hebrew equivalent is 'Baraq,'" said YouTube contributor "ppsimmons," a self-described Christian with a theological education and many years in the ministry, who spoke to WND under condition of anonymity. "I thought that was fascinating."

As he continued looking into the rest of the words in the phrase, he focused on "heaven," and found that it can refer not just to God's dwelling place, but also "the heights" or "high places."

He then recalled Isaiah 14:14, where Lucifer, another name for Satan, is quoted as saying, "I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High."

"I wondered what the word 'heights' is," said ppsimmons, "and I looked it up in the dictionary, and it's 'Bamah.'"

Thus, on the video, the announcer notes, "If spoken by a Jewish rabbi today, influenced by the poetry of Isaiah, He (Jesus) would say these words in Hebrew ... 'I saw Satan as Baraq Ubamah.'"

"Gosh, was Jesus giving us a clue or was this just a freak coincidence?" thought the filmmaker at the time of his research.
http://www.wnd.com/index....

As I said very strange!! What do your think? Too close for comfort or unbelievable?

 

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1. myLot reputation of 20/100. MntlWard (601)   ranked 1,460 out of 3,984 in politics   3 years ago

I think the video maker is making stuff up, like many of Obama's critics have been.

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2. myLot reputation of 87/100. jb78000 (3486)   ranked 78 out of 3,984 in politics   3 years ago

hilarious

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3. myLot reputation of 79/100. Rollo1 (2827)   ranked 89 out of 3,984 in politics   3 years ago

The part about Baraq meaning "lightning" is correct but this is not the root for the name Barack. There was a fellow in the bible named Barak, meaning lightning, and he fought with Deborah - see Judges.

The name Barack comes from the Hebrew word "baruch" which means "blessing" or to bless. For instance "baruch haba b'shem Adonai" or blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.

They sound alike to us, but not the same root word.

Not that I don't think Obama is the AC's bff, but I can't say for sure that he's the big guy. Of course, if he were really born in Kenya, his chances for being the AC go up, but I think that he's just another of those who make the way for that one's arrival. He's busily re-structuring society and will probably cause or help start the big war in the Middle East.

I don't know if God would set in "sound-alikes" as code in the Bible. This method has been abused by many, as in those who say that the name Jesus is just a permutation of the name of the pagan god Zeus when in fact it is simply an anglicized form of the Greek word for Joshua. These people will tell you that you must say Yeshua or you are calling on a pagan god.

There's one other little problem where he states that Jesus would say those words in Hebrew. The common language of society in Jesus' time was Aramaic. It is unlikely that He was speaking anything but Aramaic except perhaps when quoting the Torah in the synagogue. I have no idea what barack means in Aramaic or even if the word exists.

I don't buy into it, it's a little too obvious and relies on sound rather than true meaning. Interesting though.


myLot reputation of 79/100. Rollo1 (2827)   ranked 89 out of 3,984 in politics  3 years ago

Just to leave a postscript: According to Strong's Concordance, the Hebrew and Aramaic "Barak or Barack" come from the word meaning to bless or to kneel.


myLot reputation of 80/100. whiteheather39 (15570)   ranked 195 out of 3,984 in politics  3 years ago

Actually at the beginning of the video it is made very clear that Jesus spoke Aramaic and he goes through the various translations and pronunciations leading to his conclusion. I found the video to be more explanatory than the article. I am not saying I believe it either but I found it very interesting to see the steps he took.


myLot reputation of 79/100. Rollo1 (2827)   ranked 89 out of 3,984 in politics  3 years ago

Of course, if you told Obama he was lightning fallen from heaven, he would assume it was a compliment.

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4. myLot reputation of 97/100. geminikid (1066)   3 years ago

I never looked at it that way. Hmmmmmmmm, very interesting

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5. myLot reputation of 78/100. suspenseful (19610)   ranked 218 out of 3,984 in politics   3 years ago

I was always led to believe that the super Anti-Christ, the big daddy would be a white men (the Evil White Man) but perhaps that is what is wrong, that we seem to have assumptions on the anti=Christ looking like the tall blond Neo Nazi, or even the Hitler or Nazi type and we forget that he could have been Chinese, or African from South of the Sahara, Arabian, or American Indian. Not to mention that years ago, there were so many candidates. Why I remember reading that Hitler was the anti-Christ, even the Pope was the anti-Christ, and I am sure that thousands of years ago, Genghis Khan was the anti-Christ, but in those days there was one thing in common. People believed and it was common knowledge that Jesus Christ was the son of God and was sitting in the right hand of the Father, and it was not a crime in America for a public official to say so, most preachers knew Hebrew and Greek, but now things are different.
If there had been a man with the name Barak Obama or a man who had in his cabinet, ungodly people, a red flag would have gone up. However that warning is now gone and we do not know if he is the cumulation or there will be another one that is worse. Or whether the anto-Christ consists of several people like Hitler, Stalin, the Pope, etc. and Obama is one of them.
I will not say if he is one, but he would be a very good candidate, not by his name, but by his actions and if he is, it means that the end is near and those who are of the children of God will soon see Christ returning on the Clouds of Heaven in Glory.


myLot reputation of 71/100. opalina143 (911)   ranked 478 out of 3,984 in politics  3 years ago

I wasn't aware that it is a crime for public officials to say that Jesus is God and is ruling in Heaven.

Could you please send me the names of some of these public officials who are in jail because I would like to petition for their release.

Sincerely now- your Fundamentalist Paranoia is showing.


myLot reputation of 79/100. Rollo1 (2827)   ranked 89 out of 3,984 in politics  3 years ago

No public official can say it in any official capacity. Many lawsuits have been filed to remove things like the ten commandments from public buildings. Children don't get Christmas Vacation from school, they have Winter Holidays. Children can't sing Silent Night in school concerts, only Jingle Bells. It's separation of church and state and while it is not probably a criminal act, if anyone breaches what the ACLU defines as separation of church and state, they will pummel that particular municipality with expensive lawsuits they can't hope to afford so as to change that policy.


myLot reputation of 69/100. BlueGoblin (1914)   ranked 912 out of 3,984 in politics  3 years ago

Why do Americans think all the antichrists are Europeans? Why not Mao Zedong? Augusto Pinochet? countless others evil men from other countries. It's all about perspective and where you reside. Besides that, look at the crusades and what Christians did. Why aren't they consider antichrists? Seriously Christian atrocities go completely unnoticed. No one even mentions the Northern Crusades. Some people don't even know crusades against Lithuania and other baltic countries happened. Spare me your antichrist because Christian were beyond Evil themselves.


myLot reputation of 78/100. suspenseful (19610)   ranked 218 out of 3,984 in politics  3 years ago

It is easy to think that the anti-Christ is of European background, then thinking he could be Jewish, Black, Chinese, or a non-white nationality because of what happened in World War II. Or course he could be Obama, but I do not know and he could be Black. It is just that the anti-Christ will be someone who is vastly popular and mesmerizes people, and he has to have the whole world behind him. So that makes a very powerful man. You can say all you want about some one in Communist Europe or the Crusades, being the anti-Christ, but an anti-Christ is someone who denies Christ, says that he is Christ, not someone or some group of people who because of ignorance thought they were doing the right thing as the crusaders. Most of them were illiterate and just learned from priests some who could hardly read or write themselves and they thought they were doing the right thing. They did not realize that God had a plan. The anti-Christ will be highly educated, will probably know the Bible back and forth and will just take pieces of of the Bible to suit him.

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6. myLot reputation of 87/100. jb78000 (3486)   ranked 78 out of 3,984 in politics   3 years ago

i suppose moving from birth certificate to antichrist is at least a change. can we have some evil aliens next to add s bit more variety?


myLot reputation of 79/100. Rollo1 (2827)   ranked 89 out of 3,984 in politics  3 years ago

We haven't seen the Anti-Christ's birth certificate either. Things that make you go hmmm.....


myLot reputation of 87/100. jb78000 (3486)   ranked 78 out of 3,984 in politics  3 years ago

oh no, an antichrist without a birth certificate. you're all in real trouble now.

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7. myLot reputation of 49/100. N4life (371)   ranked 437 out of 3,984 in politics   3 years ago

Obama can not be the anti-christ as I am married to her...lol


myLot reputation of 74/100. goldeneagle (5503)   ranked 713 out of 3,984 in politics  3 years ago

I married her sister LOL


myLot reputation of 87/100. jb78000 (3486)   ranked 78 out of 3,984 in politics  3 years ago

and i think her brother is running around here somewhere

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8. myLot reputation of 91/100. lotterylover (7426)   ranked 76 out of 3,984 in politics   3 years ago

Any one who is against Christ is an anti-Christ. Satan is suppose to come down out of the sky to impersonate Christ return. He is suppose to work miracles and call fire down out of the sky. He has worked down through the ages through as many people or institutions that have allow him to. Revelation pretty well spells out who the man is that will cause all to receive the Mark of the Beast. This is where to know what symbols the Bible uses to represent certain things is helpful. The Beast in prophecy represent kingdoms, governments, or earthly ruling organizations. To put Obama to the test you must take his title, The President of the United States, and using the Roman numerals you would need to come out with the number of 666. The Roman numerals are I=one, v and U=5, X=10,L=50, C=100, D=500,M=1,000 But there are other descriptions given to this beast which Obama would have to fulfill. Rev. 13:11 tells about a beast coming out of the earth having two horns like a lamb but spoke like the dragon. It sounds like he exercised all the authority of the first beast and made the inhabitants worship the first beast. That could describe America but will Obama or congress force us to obey the first beast whose number is 666 and receive his mark in our foreheads and hands? I don't see that yet but it all depends. Things could change rapidly.


myLot reputation of 79/100. Rollo1 (2827)   ranked 89 out of 3,984 in politics  3 years ago

You are correct that those who are against Christ are antichrist in spirit. The spirit of the anti-christ is that described in the bible as anathema maranatha. The spirit that would prevent Christ's return for His bride. It is the spirit of carnality, the number of a man. Six is the number of man (created the sixth day) 7 is the number of rest (sabbath) and 8 is completion or atonement, salvation (Noah was the eighth man, there were 8 on the ark covered in pitch or kofar meaning atonement). 666 is the number of carnal in body, mind and spirit. 666=antichrist

The spirit of antichrist has always been at work. Those things that will come to pass will happen in the natural, but also in the spiritual.


myLot reputation of 91/100. lotterylover (7426)   ranked 76 out of 3,984 in politics  3 years ago

He probably has been working since day one when he was first thrown to this earth. He has been against Christ and first appeared to Eve through a snake. He doesn't care who he uses. He used Herod to get rid of all the babies when Jesus was born. He used the Jews to crucify Christ. He used the Jewish courts, Herods and other pagan Rome officials to get rid of the Apostles. I could go on but will stop here.


myLot reputation of 80/100. whiteheather39 (15570)   ranked 195 out of 3,984 in politics  3 years ago

lotterylover Hmmm curiouser and curiouser is he now using Obama to do his dastardly deeds?


myLot reputation of 91/100. lotterylover (7426)   ranked 76 out of 3,984 in politics  3 years ago

That is quite possible but Obama still doesn't fit the description of the man whose number is 666. He could certainly give power to that man.

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9. myLot reputation of 75/100. irishidid (3461)   ranked 838 out of 3,984 in politics   3 years ago

Like I've said before, the anti-christ won't need a teleprompter. lol


myLot reputation of 90/100. revellanotvanella (1957)   ranked 118 out of 3,984 in politics  3 years ago

LOL lol


myLot reputation of 80/100. whiteheather39 (15570)   ranked 195 out of 3,984 in politics  3 years ago

lol

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10. myLot reputation of 82/100. spalladino (11857)   ranked 127 out of 3,984 in politics   3 years ago

I just tried it with a couple of online translation programs and did not get the same results. The Hebrew equivalent of "Baraq" looks nothing like the Hebrew equivalent of "astrape". "lightening" translated to Greek comes up with a word that, when translated back to English is "relief".

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