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myLot reputation of 80/100. ZephyrSun (3498)   ranked 94 out of 6,376 in politics4 months ago

I was thinking today after reading that one of the radio stations here in my city gave away the home phone to one of the mayoral candidates to listeners. The radio DJ (is that what you call them on AM radio?) announced the phone number 6 times during his program. Now, the candidate has started getting death threats. Since I don't listen to AM radio I didn't hear the actual broadcast but, I was able to get information that the radio guy is a supporter of the opposite political party of the mayoral candidate.

So, do you think that certain freedoms of speech should be limited? Would you feel the exact same way if say Keith Olbermann gave out Sara Palin's home phone number? What are your thoughts?

 
 
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1. myLot reputation of 86/100. fwidman (5355)   ranked 304 out of 6,376 in politics   4 months ago

While I'm sure the DJ has the right to do such a thing, I would think that he or at least the program director would have more common sense. If this man is actually hurt, or killed, because of what the DJ did then the station will certainly be held accountable for the deed since they created it.


myLot reputation of 51/100. Taskr36 (4610)   ranked 395 out of 6,376 in politics  4 months ago

The DJ and station could only be held accountable if he instructed the people to harm or kill this mayor. Giving out a phone number does not amount to encouragement of any form of violence. At best someone could try to hold him liable for harrassment they recieve over the phone, but he didn't give out the mayor's home address, or any information that would make the mayor more likely to be physically harmed.


myLot reputation of 80/100. ZephyrSun (3498)   ranked 94 out of 6,376 in politics  4 months ago

Well like I said before I didn't listen to the program because I don't like AM radio and honestly I don't know if it comes in on my house stero.

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2. myLot reputation of 82/100. jb78000 (1707)   ranked 191 out of 6,376 in politics   4 months ago

i come from what some of you may consider a police state (it's not). even so i would say there are certain things that come under the heading of infringements.


myLot reputation of 80/100. ZephyrSun (3498)   ranked 94 out of 6,376 in politics  4 months ago

I didn't know that people considered the UK a police state. But, to be honest with you the politics overseas are my weak spot. I am not very familiar with them at all.

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3. myLot reputation of 51/100. Taskr36 (4610)   ranked 395 out of 6,376 in politics   4 months ago

There are limitations on free speech. This such as slander, libel, inciting a riot, etc., are all limited. I don't think giving out a person's home phone number is among them, at least not in a criminal legal manner.

First off, are you sure the DJ gave out his home number? Often times commentators will give out office phone numbers for mayors, senators, governors, etc. That is not only appropriate, but a great way of helping people know how they can contact their elected officials. If it was his home number, then I think he went overboard. I don't think any of these people should be harrassed at home when they are off the clock.

That being said, I'm not sure there's any legal recourse for this, especially if their home numbers are listed in the phone book. Any laws on the issue would have to be state laws and it would likely result in, or rely on, precedent i.e. judge made law.

For the sake of providing related precedent I'll direct you to another incident where not only phone numbers, but HOME ADDRESSES were given out. After Prop 8 passed in California a group or individual managed to amass a list of people who had given money to the Prop 8 campaign. According to campaign finance laws or such the information can be obtained through a public records request or something like that. The person then made up a Google map showing the names and home addresses of every person on record for having given money to the pro Prop 8 groups. The people on that map recieved death threats, had their homes and lawns vandalized, and were told they had absolutely no legal recourse since campaing finance laws are so strict.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2009/01/08/state/n172303S97.DTL
http://sfist.com/2009/01/09/mash-up_map_of_google_maps_and_prop.php


myLot reputation of 80/100. ZephyrSun (3498)   ranked 94 out of 6,376 in politics  4 months ago

"It all started when Ben Konop says local radio host Brian Wilson of WSPD gave listeners Konop's personal phone number. County Commissioner Ben Konop says he prides himself on being accessible to the public, but he says threatening calls on his personal phone are way out of line.
Wilson says he didn't do anything wrong, adding Konop is a public servant who has turned down numerous interview requests at WSPD. Konop says WSPD radio talk show host Brian Wilson gave out his phone number six different times during Tuesday's show. "

Now, honestly what I have heard from Ben Konop leads me to believe he is an idiot but, still just because I think he's an idiot doesn't mean that he should be threatened or harrassed in anyway. Just like you said the pro Prop 8 people shouldn't either. I mean if they want to protest at the Church than by all means. I know you all are for small government but, aren't you for protection of rights? His man, and the pro Prop 8, have the right to live without fear of their political beliefs no matter if they are different from mine, your's or anyone else's.


myLot reputation of 80/100. ZephyrSun (3498)   ranked 94 out of 6,376 in politics  4 months ago

Oh, shoot sorry I forgot the link.

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvg/story?section=news/local&id=6974131&rss=rss-wtvg-article-6974131


myLot reputation of 51/100. Taskr36 (4610)   ranked 395 out of 6,376 in politics  4 months ago

Well he shouldn't be threatened or harassed, but there's no way you can blame this DJ for the death threats when all he did was give out a phone number. If these people are sick enough to make death threats than they would have done it to the number for his campaign office or workplace without his home number. Every single one of these death threats should be investigated and those responsible should be prosecuted.

There is still nothing that says the DJ promoted death threats so I only say that he made a poor judgment by giving out the guy's personal number instead of the number for his office. Beyond that I'd say people who disagree with his actions should do the same thing they've done to Letterman and Beck, call the sponsors and tell them not to advertise on their programs.


myLot reputation of 80/100. ZephyrSun (3498)   ranked 94 out of 6,376 in politics  4 months ago

I found another article about this, it's from a different news channel here. It appears that this all started because Konop would not go on WSPD because he thinks they are to extreme. It's very interesting how conservatives are all about personal responsibility except of course when it's their personal responsibility. Because, the DJ takes no responsibility for giving out the personal cell phone, not the county's cell phone number to his listeners, dumb DJ said, "If Baby Ben Konop is wetting his pants over alleged death threats, he may consider changing his phone number," says Wilson."

http://www.wtol.com/Global/story.asp?S=10958022


myLot reputation of 80/100. ZephyrSun (3498)   ranked 94 out of 6,376 in politics  4 months ago

And, I found yet another article that said that the program director was involved with giving out the phone number.

http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090819/NEWS16/908199892

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4. myLot reputation of 93/100. dlr297 (2794)   ranked 429 out of 6,376 in politics   4 months ago

I think that what they did was wrong, and i think that it would be wrong to give out anyone's phone number, or address

But once you start putting limits on our freedom of speech, is when we are going to start losing all of them.


myLot reputation of 80/100. ZephyrSun (3498)   ranked 94 out of 6,376 in politics  4 months ago

I think you're right about both parts but, my thing is, I believe everyone has the right to live without fear for their lives or their loved one's lives. It's sorta a no win situation.

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5. myLot reputation of 98/100. Opal26 (9928)   ranked 787 out of 6,376 in politics   4 months ago

Hey Zephyr! Are you serious? Now that is really going way too
far! I don't think that would go over too well here in NY!
DJ's in NYC have gotten fired for doing things less serious
than that! I don't think that is appropriate no matter who's
side you are on! That is just unacceptable and dangerous, as
you have already stated! I think that DJ should lose his
job and if he was working here in NY he would probably lose
his DJ license! There are just some lines of privacy that
shouldn't be crossed like putting someones life in jeopardy!


myLot reputation of 80/100. ZephyrSun (3498)   ranked 94 out of 6,376 in politics  4 months ago

Wow that's amazing, I didn't know that DJ's had to have a license. That's good that some states actually care about the rights of the citizens.


myLot reputation of 98/100. Opal26 (9928)   ranked 787 out of 6,376 in politics  4 months ago

Not only do they have to have a license but they have to
actually follow rules of the FCC! There can really be serious
reprecussions for what he did!


myLot reputation of 51/100. Taskr36 (4610)   ranked 395 out of 6,376 in politics  4 months ago

You need a license for pretty much anything in New York. That's where the little girl got ticketed for selling lemonade without a license.

Does the FCC have guidelines prohibiting the release of phone numbers?I honestly don't think this guy violated any enforceable rules.


myLot reputation of 98/100. Opal26 (9928)   ranked 787 out of 6,376 in politics  4 months ago

I'm not sure. But, you know when they have a movie or
tv show they always use a fake phone number like 555----.
There is some kind of law the makes them do that! I will
try to check. I was a Legal Secretary. I'm not sure
if I can get in touch with one of my ex-bosses. I will
try!


myLot reputation of 51/100. Taskr36 (4610)   ranked 395 out of 6,376 in politics  4 months ago

You're right, I remember that. I also remember all the he1l that was raised over that song 867-5309 because many people actually had and still have that number and would get harassed. I wonder if that rule, assuming it is a rule, applies to this.


myLot reputation of 98/100. Opal26 (9928)   ranked 787 out of 6,376 in politics  4 months ago

OMG! I forgot all about that song and all the problems it
caused to the people who had it! I wonder if anyone still
does have it! Those poor people!lol


myLot reputation of 80/100. ZephyrSun (3498)   ranked 94 out of 6,376 in politics  4 months ago

That song was "Jenny".


Ok, I found the whole 555 thing. All the numbers that are 555 are set aside and used only by the phone company.

http://yahoo.rogers.com/yahoo/answerman/index.jsp?id=am080924


myLot reputation of 98/100. Opal26 (9928)   ranked 787 out of 6,376 in politics  4 months ago

Hey! Nice work Secret Agent Zephyr! That's what I mean! Going
back to the DJ, (that's how this all got started and ended
with poor Jenny!)he really could be in trouble because giving
out someones real phone number I do believe is against the
law or at least sort of? Thanks for the infor!And you too
Taskr!

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6. myLot reputation of 10/100. Jis2507 (117)   ranked 3,718 out of 6,376 in politics   4 months ago

There should never be a limit on free speach. Freedom is speach is something EVERY country should have.


myLot reputation of 80/100. ZephyrSun (3498)   ranked 94 out of 6,376 in politics  4 months ago

We actually have several types of limitations of speech. But, as long as it doesn't infringe on other's rights than I'm all for free speech.


myLot reputation of 95/100. The_Lamb_Lies_Down (3015)   ranked 18 out of 6,376 in politics  4 months ago

There should never be a limit on free speach.

Even if that freedom causes harm to others?

What if I yell fire in a crowded building and several people are trampled to death trying to get out? And there was no fire?

What if I am inciting a crowd to riot?

What if I am spewing nothing but hate, and encouraging others to go kill certain other people?

Should I be free to do all that?

Unfortunately, there HAVE to be limits.

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7. myLot reputation of 95/100. The_Lamb_Lies_Down (3015)   ranked 18 out of 6,376 in politics   4 months ago

It is not the fault of the DJ that people are making death threats.

Sure, give out Palin's number...she can always change it.

Personally, I don't think the DJ did anything wrong...although he may have done something stupid...


myLot reputation of 80/100. ZephyrSun (3498)   ranked 94 out of 6,376 in politics  4 months ago

Are you playing the devil? lol

I personally think the guy running for mayor is an idiot but, no one deserves to be harrassed not even Sara Palin. If it were me, I'd be kicking some a$$.

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8. myLot reputation of 46/100. thegreatdebater (1037)   ranked 513 out of 6,376 in politics   4 months ago

I think that freedom of speech does have limits, and I think that this is not freedom of speech. This right wing hate radio idiot would go crazy if someone published his own personal phone number (I read that someone published this, but it wasn't there when I click on the link). I am sure that no one on here would want another member of MYLOT knowing their home phone number, so I think we should allow our politicans that same courtsey.

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9. myLot reputation of 60/100. ParaTed2k (4586)   ranked 404 out of 6,376 in politics   4 months ago

What he did was a dirty trick, but there are two separate acts here. The "DJ" did something that isn't illegal, but is unethical and stupid. The people who called in death threats broke the law. Unless it can be demonstrated that the DJ was an active part in the threats, then he can't be considered part of it.

Yes, it would be the same as if Keith Olbermann gave out Sara Palin's home phone number... still a dirty trick, but it isn't right to blame everyone for the stupid acts of individuals.

Privacy laws for public officials are different than for the rest of us. There are a lot of things that we can say about them and be protected by freedom of speech. On the other hand, you can (for example here) say that you hope a bullet finds my head someday soon. That would be against MyLot TOS, but only illegal if you worded it as a threat... but if someone made the same statement in regards to a public official... well, that's when the guys in the dark suits and no sense of humor show up.


myLot reputation of 80/100. ZephyrSun (3498)   ranked 94 out of 6,376 in politics  4 months ago

I did some digging and I guess from what I've read this Brian Wilson is like a Rush. But, the program director at this channel is also like Rush so he allows the DJ's to say whatever they want. I also found out something very funny or atleast odd, the program director tried to lead an effort to recall our mayor (he's out in Jan 2010) I can understand that our mayor is an idiot but, the program director doesn't even live in the city, he lives in another city LOL.

I look at it this way with public officals, if it isn't an emergency they shouldn't be bother by the public at home. I wouldn't allow my boss to call me at home to ask me stupid questions I give that same respect to elected officals even ones I don't like.

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10. myLot reputation of 95/100. xParanoiax (4937)   ranked 26 out of 6,376 in politics   4 months ago

No. Just because someone does something with their free speech that we do not like doesn't mean that there should be a limit as to anyone's freedom of speech.
Because limits to freedoms always slide right into restrictions, and then, eventually, to eliminations.

I'm not saying that that's not despicable, but seriously...there's stuff the guy whose phone number was abused can do. He could sue the radio host for example. I'm surprised the radio host thought that he WOULDN'T get sued, in fact.

It's not like we're defenseless when someone abused their freedom to speak. There's always something we can do about it. It's just that law doesn't have to come into play.


myLot reputation of 80/100. ZephyrSun (3498)   ranked 94 out of 6,376 in politics  4 months ago

I am not one for junk lawsuits but, in cases like this I would love for Konop to sue the DJ and the radio station (I believe it's a Clear Channel station) and win millions so it doesn't happen again to someone else.


myLot reputation of 95/100. xParanoiax (4937)   ranked 26 out of 6,376 in politics  4 months ago

Same here.

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