sorry for what my country has done?

hello person who does not live in ireland. you have a point.

True, but I am an O'Neill! That makes me clan Irish. So there.

irishididevildeeds. hey you have unwittingly just given me an opportunity to say just how funny the americans that come over here with claims of scottish ancestry are. you may well be called macleod but you are clearly an american. [goes into convoluted xenophobic rant]

Yes, I am an American. My kids can claim to be 3rd generation Irish-American on their paternal side but so all intents and purposes we're just American.

you can get to 3rd generation? goodness you don't have the background i do. we can get to 2nd and then it becomes 'we're not sure'

That's only if I'm going to be technical about it. Only one group is truly American and they probably came from somewhere themselves originally.

just about everybody does. we all orginally came from africa i think. africa might be an exception. hey just realised that celts came from india - i think i can work that into a reason not to feel guilty [evil cackle] [goes on to pm indian friends with an apology take back] [second evil cackle]

I'm going to be in so much trouble for saying this, but now you're starting to sound American.

I love it when I strike a nerve. I am so evil.

i have the skin of a rhinocerous notreallyirish. your evil attempts to try and hurt my feelings will never work.

Can't be all that thick. Stiff upper lip. You aren't looking at it the right way. I just dissed my country. LOL

by accusing me of sounding like i came from your godforsaken land. an (admittedly feeble) attempt to hurt my feelings that was.

You said you had a reason not to feel guilty. America tends to come up with excuses why it shouldn't feel guilty. We often stick our noses in where we aren't wanted and claim it's because we're bringing democracy. So if you don't like me saying it then squeeze out some guilt.

are the excuses ever as pathetic as mine was?

Yes they are, quite often. Probably more so. The fact the US has its own issues it should straighten out before telling other countries how to run is proof of that. Here they are refusing to recognize Honduras simply for following it's own constitution.

you'd better not be trying to confuse me evil. really wouldn't have expected to get these kind of views off you.

Is my liberal showing? Honestly, I have quite a liberal side but I believe liberalism has been corrupted. At least in the states as far as I'm concerned. I always look at the rights of all while some (not all) liberals here look at the rights of those they agree with. While I may not like what an opposing view is, I respect the right to have one.

if you feel like that all i can say is what on earth do you think you are doing in the mylot politics section? hold on a sec. what the hell do i think i'm doing being here? [rabbit bounces off in a confused daze]

It's the debate and frankly, I like to argue.

if someone has something intelligent to say, even if i think it is wrong, then i like to hear it. i have even been known to change my mind (not very often because obviously a mind like mine is rarely mistaken) and also know that there can be different ways of seeing something that all have something valid in them (the dreaded 'a' word is an example of this]. [rabbit realises that she is posting in entirely the wrong section and buggers off}

You crack me up when you refer to the U.S. as "god forsaken". I see God's hand here every day.

No matter, what I wanted to comment on in this thread has more to do with Irish's comment regarding her heritage. Yes, most of us are originally from someone else. My family tree grows in many directions internationally. My father's father was Irish...his wife was English. Her family tree goes back to the House of Tudor, to King Edward VI. My mother's father was German. I was born in Baltimore, Maryland and brought a little bit of Baltimore down here to Florida where I will forever be considered a Yankee no matter how long I live here. We are all products of what came before us...so you can call me Princess.

irishididevildeeds. hey you have unwittingly just given me an opportunity to say just how funny the americans that come over here with claims of scottish ancestry are. you may well be called macleod but you are clearly an american. [goes into convoluted xenophobic rant]


LOL JB I totalyu sympathize witrh you on this.

I am half Native American. Iroquois, Turtle clan. My Grandmother was the Clan Mother.

When people find this out they all of a sudden feel some kind of kinship with me. I kid you not every time someone finds out I'm Native American, their reply is this: "I am too!! My great great grandmother was Cheroke Indian!!"

Over the years I've learned to roll my eyes and laugh. EVERYONE in America has a Cheroke ancestor. And if they would just read a history book, they would find out why.

Of course, if they did that.. they might not be so quick to boast their ancestory.

i found the same thing in certain south american countries (everybody was mixed but the racicism was horrendous, possibly like the wee ua now?

Tee,

Everyone asks me if I'm Native American. They tell me I look it. I choose not to identify with it simply because I don't know. I can only go by stories and without concrete proof I'm certainly not going to go around calling myself tribal. The O'Neill I know from having met my biological grandmother.
I think people say Cherokee because it is one of the better known tribes. I have a friend who comes from one of the lesser known tribes. Can't recall it though something Seneca. I'd be more likely to believe someone was in a lesser known one than one you hear about all the time. But you're right about the Cherokee claims. I know a lot of them. LOL

I'm just the opposit Irish. Most people dont believe me when I tell them I am Native American because I have red hair and my skin is on the lighter side. A gift from my mothers Irish heritage (LOL I had to throw that in there to tweek Bunny a bit:p

But when I stand next to my father, its more than apparent. He is full blooded Native American, and my face, build and bone structure are an exact duplicate of his. If my skin was just a few shades darker and my hair was black I could get away with being full blooded.

But Irish I'm willing to bet anything you have some Native American heritage in you. Like I said... everyone is a Cheroke LOL!

evil - count yourself luckyy girly. i also look like someone who is not from the country i actually orginate from - and it is fantastic. particulularly in countries like greece - look greek, burble away in greek and you will never have the problems often encountered by irritating british tourists

Funny about appearances. My daughters are dark and one might see them as being Native American. My son is blond with blue eyes. He looks nothing like his sisters. My oldest daughter is a half sister to her two siblings and if one were to see them all together they would think my son didn't belong in the family although he and my middle child are fully related on both sides. I tell you I got a lot of comments when he was born. I kept telling them it couldn't be the mailman.

small and dark provides a great travelling oppotunity - tell her that nobody to begin with will guess that she is from your awful country. if she can speak anything other than american they'll probably never guess anyway

What? Small? Not my daughters. One's 6'2". Now my son is a wee one who stretches himself to be that tad bit taller than mom.

Do you think that someone who appears ethnic is given more allowances than someone who doesn't? No one gives a thought to a black person dressing in African garb even though they've never been in Africa or Indians born and raised in the states wearing a sari. Even Native Americans to a certain degree. It seems to me that whites tend to be looked at strangely if they embrace their culture. As if we are being expected to assimilate while others don't have to. What are the thoughts?

small and dark describes me. incidently i'm the oldest and also the shortest of my siblings - i have very small bones and am not fat which makes me look even smaller. [goes off to stuff face in a vain attempt to remedy this].

ok i can actually understand someone feeling proud of their roots (americans in kilts still make me snigger behind their backs though. sorry) although it may not always come across as particularly sensible.

I'd much rather see Americans in Kilts than in the current teenage male fashion of one's behind hanging out of their pants that are tightly belted to their knees. Although it's funny as heck watching them try to run.

they are still doing that? do you know that when i'm busy stereotyping your horrible country i tend to refer to it as whatever ''''insert name of south american country here' did in the seventies?

Spalladino (I hope that's spelled correctly!) said: "You crack me up when you refer to the U.S. as "god forsaken". lol I see God's hand here every day."

Ditto.

Sp. continued: "No matter, what I wanted to comment on in this thread has more to do with Irish's comment regarding her heritage. Yes, most of us are originally from someone else."

Everyone, including "Native Americans" came from "somewhere else!" Except, as someone pointed out, Africans (those who still live on that continent, anyway, excluding the European stock, of course--no, wait, their ancestors came from Africa, too! So...I guess that makes everyone in the USA African-American...right?).

More Sp.: "My family tree grows in many directions internationally. My father's father was Irish...his wife was English. Her family tree goes back to the House of Tudor, to King Edward VI. My mother's father was German. I was born in Baltimore, Maryland and brought a little bit of Baltimore down here to Florida where I will forever be considered a Yankee no matter how long I live here."

Cousin! Your family lineage is almost the same as mine--including the Tudors! I have two branches of Amerind (Iroquios & Oklahoman Cherokee) from my Dad's side, but my Mom's side added a plethora of other things, such as French & Russian Jew.


And Sp. ended with: "We are all products of what came before us...so you can callme Princess. rasp"

Ain't that the truth! It's an old planet, & we've got ancestors from all points on it, if we only knew. The human genome proves this. It also proves there's no such critter as a "pure" race, either.

I'm just sayin....

Maggiepie
"WHERE'S THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE?"

I agree Maggiepie, there can be no pure race...not anymore. Nice to have a cousin on the board.

Spalladino: So glad to meet you, paisan! (Is that spelled correctly? Wait, if you're male--would it be paisano?)

Maggiepie
"WHERE'S THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE?"

had to quickly check what your country was there - states right? well your country has indeed done quite a few bad things but i'll agree that it could have done worse.

Yes, indeed and it has a history of trying to help.

i'm usually up early. however i have something rather dull that i should be doing - which is why i am faffing about here. you know (for once) what you are burbling on about so i'll let you win. ps do you know where you are?

I had no idea where I was as you failed to inform me in advance as per our agreement. You really should pop in and see dear Peter. I could be safe here as it's outside the range a bit, I think, so thus outside the firing range.

i think you'd be safe anyway. i'm not - they know who i am. i drop points everytime i post here. granted i am annoying but even so. btw any wolves looking at this - i know who you are and while i don't minus people i'd like to point out that the main effect of negative rating people is to make your own star drop.

Naming names.. one of the "active German companies" who used slave labour during the war is Volkswagen..

A BR in politics no less jb.

it's strange how you can feel bad about things that are absolutely nothing to do with you isn't it? completely off-topic really good thing he's your ex btw- he didn't sound like a great guy at all spicysweetie

Spicy, before you feel TOO bad about Nagasaki and Hiroshima, you should be aware our west coast came very close to suffering the same fate. We just got lucky enough to be faster at building our bomb. The target date for the joint japanese/german nuclear strike on our west coast and pacific fleet was going to be days after we dropped ours. In short, we just got there first. Had we not ended the war in such quick fashion, had we not developed and used a nuclear weapon, WE would have been the first nation in history to have one dropped on us rather than Japan.

x - hey do you seriously think your wee soddisng country and its belated invlovement ended ww II finsnished it? if so go ahead - braincells are being faxed over

Jb, I was speaking to the pacific front and the conflict between Japan and the U.S. with this particular post. The end of the European part of the war was a group effort.

get on with it x. btw next discussion going up is~why don't americans say please' you and your soddingly awful country are going to get negs whenever i see you

Talking about soddenly awful, if it wasn't for your English evil bloodlines with all the money, starting all this One World Order, this discussion would not be here. Mainly the Bush family being tied to your evil empire. And your Scottish rites of Masons and Illuminati.

jb78000

get on with it x. btw next discussion going up is~why don't americans say please' you and your soddingly awful country are going to get negs whenever i see you

This went too far. Not only are you using ugly language, but promising to break the rules by negatively rating someone just because you don't like their country?

I've reported you. I hope they through youR sorry posterior off, bigot!

Maggiepie
"WHERE'S THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE?"

it was a joke maggie. and i think xfahctor may have got it. i enjoy winding up americans and if they don't get sarcasm then i have every intention of employing it wherever possible.

also x is on my friends list - and i annoy him by plussing him every time i encounter him. as i do with the rest. i don't neg.

Maggiepie, you really shouldn't jump to conclusions and especially when you've got an entire discussion full of jb's comments to help you determine whether she was joking or not. I assure you that she was. jb and I are friends and she's actually very nice, even with that silly habit of referring to my country as "god forsaken".

I'm another American who knows how to take a joke and who is proud to have jb as a friend! Maggiepie, you need to lighten up a bit! Who with half a brain cell would actually TELL someone they're going to break the TOS by negating them because of where they're from?

Annie

rabbit pops in to plus nice american friends. spicy, x, annie and spall. you may well come from an awful country but i like you nonetheless.

All right, JB. Sorry. It's hard to tell, sometimes, when someone is "joking." You sounded serious. I withdraw my complaint, with apologies. But since I'm too dumb to get sarcasm, next time, use an emoticon to let me know. "Nudge, nudge, wink, wink...say n'more!"

Oh, & someone asked who here would actually threaten to break a TOSable rule? I have seen it happen.

Maggiepie
"WHERE'S THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE?"

alright/ when i encounter you i shall use inverted commas and capitals whenever i say something not that serious. they will be my written verson of that special voice members of your terrbile country use when they are being sarcastic...or actually may better for people to check carefully to gauge when i actually mean something to be taken seriously= have to admit one of my comments was a bit overthetop up there. you can always ask people who do this if they are being serious. oh well.

Thanks for the thumb up JB I must admit that I had a fun time sitting back and watching the things that unfolded, and I wasn't the one arguing , I was going to respond at one point, but the back and forth all over the place made me realize I was best just being a spectator.

It's all just a "something for nothing" scheme.

richard the lionheart junior eh? hello ricky. what you've said is true, and well put actually. but i think a lot of people identify quite strongly with their country and as well as feeling secondhand proud of certain things (past and present) also sometimes feel bad about others.

Yes, we do, and I think there is nothing wrong with a little pride or shameful feelings at the past. It's when we try to make the people of the present pay that crosses the line.

[arrogant and ignorant brit returns] you need to explain yourself a bit more rickety.

Sorry, I didn't know you were such a pompous pissant.

:::: Goes out and shoots a rabbit in effigy::::~D

more death threats? how feeble. like pissant, new one for my collection.

But rabbit is my favorite game to hunt.;~D

Rabbit-the only meat you can eat and floss your teeth at the same time.

[at seeing two conservative anti-rabbit campaigners get very abusive and threatening, rabbit bounces in, complete with half a dozen kalashnikovs] which one of these two should i shoot first?

That would be libertarian, thank you very much. At least for me. Not sure about Ted.

aren't a lot of your awful country's people who i would normally tell to get back in their liberal/convervative wee boxes libby wotsits?

and if you got that congratulations. wouldn't mind an explanation of what librarians believe in though. (had some already but no harm in another).

There was a time I considered myself libertarian. In fact the Libertarian Party is the only one I've ever gone as far as filling out a form to join. But over time I realized that what I am is a Conservative with a handfull of liberal opinions.

you are sodding useless paragraph. go and find yourself a wee box and then squeeze inside it - i have no intention of conversing with anybody that can think for themselves. or indeed think.

Hi Ted, I'm a moderate with some conservative leanings and some liberal leanings. So try and figure out what I truly am.

I'm just about to stay away from this board, I find there are too many negative thinkers on it. They seem to jump without reason or purpose.

i agree with all that annie - except the bit about nobody being perfect. please change that to 'nobody is perfect except the blue rabbit' ta.

THAT goes without saying...OF COURSE the blue rabbit is perfect...lol!
Annie

if it wasn't for that lol you would now be offically my favourite mylotter annie

All hail the all wise, all knowing all perfect cotton ball blue butt!

if it wasn't for fearing that you are not being that serious x you would have become number two in whereever here is/ you are number 4 in p.e. btw.

do you know x that i am only [does quick check] about 2 lifetimes aways from giving this one up as a joke?

jb...do i need to be getting jealous about the fact that x is checking out your cottenball accentuated butt? LoL

no, but maybe you should get concerned about the fact that someone who claims to be a human male is so interested in rabbits and squirrels

My question jb is "where did you get those automatic guns" at a gun show or did you steal them from a collector? Hmmmm......

it's a nice gesture. obviously everybody knows that the people alive today are not responsible for the events of the past but a symbolic apology is a decent thing for a government to do. incidently i've heard that the orginal australians are still getting a tough time - is this true?

I have also heard that there are still problems for the Aboriginal people, with schooling being a major issue, leaving Aboriginals without an education and therefore an inability to join in the modern society, if they so wish. The same was done in South Africa, with many whites blaming the blacks saying they were stupid etc when really it was the education system letting them down. It is good to say sorry for past mistakes, but only if we are not continuing those same mistakes into the future. History is there to teach us.

but unfortunately has a nasty habit of repeating itself. btw was this your first ever comment here? nice one

Good point, Diamond. If we still take credit for the exploits of Australian troops in now six wars, then we should also take the demerits for the bad things that previous Australians did, like the treatment of indigenous peoples.

Lash

i agree with what you say about pakistan. hey - you said that there are religious differences but while the official religions are different aren't there indians from lots of different religions? including muslims

strange as it may seem i too agree with the ted sometimes. btw his name now is richard, rich tea biscuit if you are in a particularly heated discussion. great points anyway astonyish.

Hmm. I'm English, Irish, Danish, Dutch, German, French, N. African, Russian Jew, 2 branches of Amerind, Welsh, Scottish...& American.

If I apologized to virtually any country but Australia & the ones in the far east, I'd be apologizing to myself.

Seems sort of a waste of time, to me...not to mention a tad silly....

Maggiepie
"WHERE'S THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE?"

goodness, how many grandparents do you have maggie? or are you able to go back a couple more generations than that?...

Yes I think that in those days, we were still close to being a British colony.

...Where did you get that avatar?

yep. that was awful. also have heard of pretty nasty inequalities still there in the land down under however much people think it is a nice country. btw british imperialism is the main thing it has never apologised for but certainly should. so as i am a stand in for whatever twerp is the current prime minister here goes: 'sorry'

Diamond, I don't rightly remember where it came from, except that it was from one of my BDSM submissives along the way. I've had on the hard drive for several years, this is the first time I've actually used it. Isn't it a pearler?

Lash

Good for you JB.
Foreign media reports of inequality in this country are ridiculous IMO.
Look, aboriginals are slightly genetically different to us and many aboriginals cannot adapt to modern western life. Let's face it, either can a lot of anglos.
Aboriginals are on average far more adept at some tasks that anglos could not handle. Unfortunately we live in a fast paced world that doesn't require their innate skills - atm anyway. But the worst thing would be to brush that knowledge under the carpet and risk losing it.
To exaggerate things a little bit, many people in Australia may get peeved that aboriginals are given access to free housing and then they smash down the dooors for firewood, or they might turn their backs on a free education which is not afforded to other citizens.
There are differences that need to be accepted, and strengths that need to be embraced. A poignant phrase from "Crocodile Dundee" was that their opinion about fighting over land is like two fleas fighting over who owns the dog that they live on.
And so, aboriginals might not find it important to pursue an education in order to live in a world that they innately don't believe in. I say good for them, but others may not.

Oh Lash, you've been a naughty boy

I don't quite know what to make of your avatar, but it conjures evil thoughts. It's a pearler alright lol, you gotta love it.

DD.

Diamond, your last response re the aboriginals is a very anthropological approach. Most of white Australia, politicians particularly, simply don't seem to grasp that there is such an extreme difference in values and attitudes between the races and try to make it a one size fits all culture. It isn't.

Lash

Yes Lash, I agree that it's not quite as simple as expecting that if a person is raised in a certain manner, then the result will be predictable.
IMO, the racism, sexism, etc. comes from those who won't accept people's differences.

[annoying rabbit. again] two points here really - silly wee erm s e x games - go for it. anything that is actually an excuse for the hard of thinking to pounce - get a sodding grip. how many times does it happeh here?

I'm amazed that no one has mentioned the fact that we in the USA started a war in Iraq for no other reason than for GB to get revenge for the death threats on his father.

I expect Ted and all of his right wing buddies to come out now with their guns blazing!

Oh, Iris...put the Koolaid down. Thaaaat's better...now back awaaaay from the nasaty old drink--

And join the real world.

Yeesh.

Maggiepie
"WHERE'S THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE?"

iris - we joined in. in spite of the fact that just about everybody in my country was against it. but thought it was about oil though?