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myLot reputation of 100/100. PeacefulWmn9 (3027)   ranked 342 out of 9,727 in religion3 months ago

happy Some people think that religion and science are not compatible, that they are like two opposing forces that cannot be in agreement.

And yet, there are quite a few scientists that believe in God or embrace a particular religion.

Using your own knowledge and common sense, do you think religion and science are total opposites? Why or why not?

I'm looking forward to your responses!

Karen

 
 
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1. myLot reputation of 86/100. Hatley (21883)   ranked 2,954 out of 9,727 in religion   3 months ago

hi peacefulwmn9 I think that a lot of scientists do believe
in God and seem to feel that religion and science can exist
peacefully. They find explanations for things and stick to
their belief in God ., I do think it is possible for religion
and science to be compatible.


myLot reputation of 100/100. PeacefulWmn9 (3027)   ranked 342 out of 9,727 in religion  3 months ago

happy Hello Hatley. I agree with you, and I've even read of some scientists who were "non-believers" trying to disprove the existence of God, the truths of the Bible, and the creation.

The oddest thing happened...they ended up as believers, because they prooved exactly the opposite. They found many scientific, historical, and workings of the universe right there in the Bible.

I found that so amazing!thumbup

Karen

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2. myLot reputation of 82/100. mdaazam (234)   ranked 2,601 out of 9,727 in religion   3 months ago

Hi peaceful,
Religion and science are the same things, the difference is that science is too young to understand . Actually i think science is on its way to where our religion stands . One day science will too meet god and will tell us
some equations for worshipping god! Good luck


myLot reputation of 100/100. PeacefulWmn9 (3027)   ranked 342 out of 9,727 in religion  3 months ago

happy Hello Mdaazam. What an accurate and easily understandable way to put it. I agree that they both "seek" the same answers in many respects, and yes, compared to religion and faith, science IS relatively young.

Thank you for such a good response!

Karen


myLot reputation of 82/100. mdaazam (234)   ranked 2,601 out of 9,727 in religion  1 day ago

Your most welcome and thanks for such a warm appreciation. Regards and do stay in touch

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3. myLot reputation of 46/100. Makro74 (103)   ranked 8,217 out of 9,727 in religion   3 months ago

Hi
Science are the laws of logic which attempts to explain and govern the existence of the world and the universe. Usually, they have a logic which leads to a pattern of certainty. This certainty is what solidifies a scientific answer. A theory is open ended.

Religion on the other hand is largely spritual, a belief system in the unseen explained by the founding person's or scriptures of that religion. Effectively it is a code of conduct and a way of life which has no requirement of science.

Religion relys its credence on its founders and its usual ultimate source is God. Science rely's on man's knowledge, historical and developing and follows through a system of development and caculations to arrive at a conclusion.

Thus, since religion is spiritual, science is largely logic applied by the brain, the two, if clashed tend to be incompatible. But, they can also fit snugly with each other, if one allows it to. For example, religous people should not be unnecessary clashing fundamentals of its religion to dismiss a scientific point. And equally scientist do not need to explain away religion with a passion.

Eg. Religous people have good reason to believe that the Turin shroud is authentic Jesus Christ. Yet scientists believe that it is a fake due to their methods. But on both camps, there is little understanding of how a fake can be achieved scientifically, but a greater logic explained by science that the shroud resembles Jesus's condition as he was taken down from the cross.

However, the more one believes with conviction of a logical religion, then the science is also fits in to be logical. For the religion is usually evolved from the entity of God, the power of belief has many levels and far more levels are attained than a scientist could attain, yet the science once discovered or developed tends to fit with the teachings of the religion.

Thus, for mankind, it boils down to interpretation and the strength of belief in both the science and the religion. This leads to a religion or a science to be compatible or incompatible.


myLot reputation of 100/100. PeacefulWmn9 (3027)   ranked 342 out of 9,727 in religion  3 months ago

happy Hello there Makro.

Another excellent explanation of your take on this. It fits perfectly with my some of my own conclusions. In many ways, even given the different variants (spirit vs. logic and physical) science and religion are indeed more compatible than either side sometimes knows.

Your insights are very much appreciated. thumbup

Karen

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4. myLot reputation of 90/100. aerous (2336)   ranked 2,754 out of 9,727 in religion   3 months ago

Hello Karen,
Before I continue commenting in your discussion. like first to take this opportunity to say hello to you, my dear good friend.

If we read the Bible. We find out that God, tell everything what is really happen in this world. Even the spread of wisdom, the discovery of earth that is round in shape and creation of advance technology is prophesied in the Bible and God said those things is happen...

I don't agree that religion and science is opposites each other because science is one of the God, words that people discover those wisdom that implore to our advancement in technology because all of those words much fulfill before God, set his hand to end this world...

What I oppose that religion against is that those scientist don't believe in God. Like Darwin that say man is not created by God...but from apes or anything else. Other says there is no God...While we know that God, is really that exist...

How can we know that there is God?


myLot reputation of 100/100. PeacefulWmn9 (3027)   ranked 342 out of 9,727 in religion  3 months ago

happy Aerous, my friend, so nice to see you:)

I do believe, too, that in many instances, science IS in the Bible...the constellations, the perfect order of day and night, over and over...what beautiful workings are nature and the body, mind, and soul that our Creator have given us.

I mentioned earlier in this discussion that some scientists have set out to disprove the Bible, God, and creation by Him, and to their amazement, their research to do so has merely led them TO God.

Isn't that a beautiful thing?

Karen


myLot reputation of 90/100. aerous (2336)   ranked 2,754 out of 9,727 in religion  3 months ago

I know that most of the scientist want to disprove the Bible and the existence of God...They are not reach any concrete conclusion that God, is not the creature of this world...If any scientist will create a universe I think they are disprove the bible says that God, is the sole creature of this world. If they are not create any solar systems or if they cannot create sun on their own knowledge. I think they should stop doing that they disprove the wisdom of God...

Do you have any information from the previous history in our universe that there is a scientist that create universe?

Even this scientist name "Darwin"... That says man is from apes? So if he is really true in his conclusion. Why until today there is an apes or monkey and those animals did not became human...Did you heard if there is monkey in that zoo that at ages and generation they became human...none, right?

So I guess those scientist should focus only in the discovery of more solar systems because the bible or God itself say that wisdom will be on this era...

A great to make good discussion to you, again...Have a nice day and take care


myLot reputation of 100/100. PeacefulWmn9 (3027)   ranked 342 out of 9,727 in religion  3 months ago

happy You make such sense. No scientist has yet, nor will one ever, create anything that comes close to what God himself has been able to do. And many times, like you, I've asked regarding the ape/man theory...okay, so why doesn't the evolving continue? Why haven't apes OR humans yet in thousands of years even remotely "turn" into something else?

Karen


myLot reputation of 90/100. aerous (2336)   ranked 2,754 out of 9,727 in religion  3 months ago

Yup! Karen, If apes really a human transformation why isn't that apes at the zoo never procreate any human...?That is why I don't believe in what they called evolution. Because there is another books that discover Darwin theory is not true. Darwin use booth bone of human and apes and force to prove that human is the evolution of apes...There are many arguments in science that is axiom in form...

But most of the theorem that is really use in our developmental study is really exist but those theory about the existence of the universe and God, will never be attain because they cannot arrive even in a million years of study.

In reality God, is the sole creature of everything...

No scientist or person being the created universe or earth...?Scientist can create sophisticated weapons that will destroy human lives but they cannot create earth?


myLot reputation of 100/100. PeacefulWmn9 (3027)   ranked 342 out of 9,727 in religion  3 months ago

happy There are so many "theories" about life and the universe and how we got here and where we go when we die, but things like evolution and the big bang theory are just...theory; not fact.

I see all about me, every day, evidence of God's existence!

Karen


myLot reputation of 90/100. aerous (2336)   ranked 2,754 out of 9,727 in religion  3 months ago

You right, karen. Those are all theory and define as axiom or a statement of truth which is admitted without proof...evolution is admitted even do Darwin itself did not find any evidence that human is from apes...Big bang is also a theory that admitted without any proof...

But the sad part is that there are some people did not believe in God, existence and only believe for scientist theory...

Even the black hole that I learn when I was in college. This is also a theory but this is applicable to electronics or computer worlds, my friend. Because in some case of vacuum tube and or the so called cathode ray tube the theory inserting black hole is that when the electron gun excite the tube and bombard the numbers of electron this will create a so called black hole because electrons spread over the tube and cloud gases being disappear...This is theory in Electronics but scientist want to think that black hole is in the universe where if that happen big bang is also created...

But God, is the sole powerful who made the earth and heaven and I think they cannot arrive for that study...They find many constellations and other planet because that is God, sayings...

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5. myLot reputation of 93/100. eileenleyva (821)   ranked 1,381 out of 9,727 in religion   3 months ago

Hi PeacefulWmn9, I am Catholic and I don't see a point of argument about science and religion. Science is a field that answers human queries the empirical way. The fundamentals are set by deductive reasoning. Religion, however, deals about faith and relationship with the great Creator of heaven and earth.


myLot reputation of 100/100. PeacefulWmn9 (3027)   ranked 342 out of 9,727 in religion  3 months ago

happy Hi Eileen.

I am a Christian, and I believe both science and "religion" deal with creation, science to some degree, and as you said, from a point of what they can "see" or prove.

And also yes, you and I believe by faith, with the mind, heart, and entire spirit.

Thank you for voicing your opinion, and have a beautiful week.

Karen


myLot reputation of 93/100. eileenleyva (821)   ranked 1,381 out of 9,727 in religion  3 months ago

I enjoyed science in school. The hypotheses we formulated for our experiments were truly exciting. We had proven many things in the lab. But I really never saw the point in proving the existence of God the scientific way. wink


myLot reputation of 100/100. PeacefulWmn9 (3027)   ranked 342 out of 9,727 in religion  3 months ago

happy I also enjoyed science classes, but like you, felt no need to prove God's existence in this manner.

The experiments were always fun, educational!

Karen

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6. myLot reputation of 92/100. dpk262006 (9124)   ranked 1,176 out of 9,727 in religion   3 months ago

Hi Karen!
Religion and science are inter-linked on one hand and these two are unrelated to each other many a times. Religion means what is followed by us and it is our personal faith and practice to reach the Great God. However, science is a kind of ‘research’ and practical knowledge and truth, which we face in our day-to-day lives. Many scientists believing that there exist God, is apparently their personal faith in God, it has nothing to do with the scientific research, I suppose.


myLot reputation of 100/100. PeacefulWmn9 (3027)   ranked 342 out of 9,727 in religion  3 months ago

happy Hello again, my friend. Yes, they are inter-linked, but with two different approaches.

I was telling earlier of three scientists who years ago set out to disprove the teachings of and about God and creation, and to their own surprise, the things they discovered by scientific means made believers of them! Isn't that something?

As always, you speak with wisdom, and I thank you.

Bless you,
Karen

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7. myLot reputation of 75/100. headhunter525 (1447)   ranked 288 out of 9,727 in religion   3 months ago

I don't think Science and Religion are two opposite discipline. I think those who see the two discipline as opposite enterprises are mistaken. I think so because the kind of question and the domain of operation are different. For example, Religion does not deal with questions like how do DNA function or how strong is the gravitational force of the moon? or how are stars formed etc etc. These are questions that is left to Science. On the other hand Science does not deal with questions like What is the meaning of life or is there life after death and so on and so on. Just because some scientists have advanced knowledge of Physics or Chemistry or Botany does not mean that they can deny the existence of life after death. If at all they deny Science does not give them well researched material to go that direction. It just comes from a different source. For example, just because someone is good in grammar does not mean that she has sound knowledge about life after death or nature of animal feeding. If a person has good knowledge it comes not from grammar but from some other source.

My point is that each discipline has their own domain. Yes, I would agree that sometimes at some point they overlap. But since the nature of investigation of each discipline is different and the domain of their operation is different I would not say that Religion and Science are two opposite enterprises.


myLot reputation of 100/100. PeacefulWmn9 (3027)   ranked 342 out of 9,727 in religion  3 months ago

happy Hi there. I like the points you've made as to science and religion not being opposite disciplines, but rather approaching different aspects and searching for different answers to particular questions. You've given some powerful examples to support your response!

This discussion has taught me a great deal, new ways to look at science/religion, and has definitely demonstrated the wide intelligence of the people on mylot.

Thank you for your insights.

Karen

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8. myLot reputation of 86/100. Ravenladyj (18010)   ranked 123 out of 9,727 in religion   3 months ago

Using your own knowledge and common sense, do you think religion and science are total opposites? Why or why not?

I dont think they are total opposites..but that could be becaues IMO they are to different areas of life...they are different but two different things can very much work together.....Do I htink they can be compatible..absolutely! But maybe not for everyone...obviously for some though since as you said there are scientists who are religious....


myLot reputation of 100/100. PeacefulWmn9 (3027)   ranked 342 out of 9,727 in religion  3 months ago

happy Hello Raven. Yes, they are different areas that explore different avenues. I've read of many examples where they have indeed worked together.

In many respects, from a Christian perspective, science explores and seeks to figure out what God has created. To make the advances, say in areas of technology and medicine, that have been made, they use the innate skills and intelligence put by God into the human brain and within the human reach.

Thank you for responding.

Karen

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9. myLot reputation of 91/100. manong05 (2930)   ranked 225 out of 9,727 in religion   3 months ago

Science and religion are not opposites. Religions are basically teachings and precepts on how should people live their lives. There is nothing that is contradicting scientific established facts. In many cases religions antedate modern science which is just beginning to appreciate the truths that religion teaches. The road to knowledge or reality is either through the cognitive or intuitive paths and both arrive at the same destination. Yes, they are compatible. There may be "seeming" contradictions but this is only due to limited understanding and as soon as they are understood, the "seeming" contradictions disappear.


myLot reputation of 75/100. headhunter525 (1447)   ranked 288 out of 9,727 in religion  3 months ago

Yes. I think since the author of both the world and the Word is God, there cannot be contradiction. The contradictions may be due to improper interpretations. If we get right interpretation of both the world and the Word then I think there will be no contradiction.


myLot reputation of 100/100. PeacefulWmn9 (3027)   ranked 342 out of 9,727 in religion  3 months ago

happy Hi Manong...I also feel that as the decades pass, the field of science does tend to better appreciate the truths of religion. Many atheist scientists, via their own discoveries, have made believers of themselves.

"Seeming"...a very important keyword when exploring almost anything.

Thank you for your input.

Karen


myLot reputation of 100/100. PeacefulWmn9 (3027)   ranked 342 out of 9,727 in religion  3 months ago

thumbup Headhunter, you make an excellent point!

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10. myLot reputation of 75/100. shobhan51 (186)   ranked 3,412 out of 9,727 in religion   3 months ago

Those who think that religion and science are not compatible, are wrong. Being a science teacher, I have colleagues, especially those teaching physics, who are really involved in religious knowledge. Some have even left teaching science to go into theology and are totally immersed in religion and God. This is because knowledge in science is slowly opening mysteries of the universe. I am also of the opinion that God is the creator of the universe and all matter, (living and non-living) and energy are the Almighty's invention. The Almighty is the SCIENTIST of all scientists.


myLot reputation of 88/100. starsailover (1461)   ranked 1,526 out of 9,727 in religion  3 months ago

Hi shobhan: I'm glad to know that you're a science teacher and you don't disapproved religion. I think there should not exist a conflict between religion and science. If it exists it's because of intolerance and disrespecteful attitudes of both religion leaders and scientific figures what make us think you can be a scientist and a religious person.


myLot reputation of 100/100. PeacefulWmn9 (3027)   ranked 342 out of 9,727 in religion  3 months ago

happy Hello Shobhan. I share your own opinion the God is, indeed, the scientist of all scientists. I've read of the scientists, who by their very interest and research in their own field, have come to embrace the tenets of creation. This tells me that science and religion are not as far removed from one another a some might think.

Karen


myLot reputation of 75/100. shobhan51 (186)   ranked 3,412 out of 9,727 in religion  3 months ago

Thanks starsailover and peacefulWmn, for your comments. Yes, since God is the scientist and creator of the Universe, those in the field of science and technology are actually learning from God about His creation, then using that knowledge to develop their own creations in technology. Everything in technology is based on the basic scientific principles laid out by God.


myLot reputation of 100/100. PeacefulWmn9 (3027)   ranked 342 out of 9,727 in religion  3 months ago

happy I agree! And in that sense, they are indeed compatible.

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