Iraq War Veteran for Peace criticically injured by police at Occupy Oakland

United States
October 26, 2011 8:34pm CST
The police raided their encampment. The police are supposed to throw tear gas on the ground, but instead one office threw it directly in the face of a peaceful protester who now has brain swelling and a fractured skull. They then threw it at the protesters rushing to his aid. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/26/iraq-vet-oakland-police-tear-gas_n_1033159.html Opponents of the movement are doing whatever they can to try to make this movement go away, and this incident in particular. The cover of the Oakland news showed a police officer petting a cat. The trolls at huffpo are suggesting that the peaceful protesters charged the police or threw bottles at them. Other opponents simply won't report on this, which is why it has not hit headlines or MSM. The long story short - There is an American citizen, unarmed, having done his service for our country, who is in critical condition, because he is supporting a movement for returning to prudent banking, allowing fair media coverage for every candidate, and for wanting tax loopholes taken out of the code. Say what you will about the movement, about my slightly left beliefs, about the occupations, and their being guilty of archaic curfew laws, but this is what it boils down to. Occupy Melbourne was also met with violence, too. Hmmmm. Reinstating Glass-Steagall, or critically injuring a veteran because he doesn't want money to influence politics. Which one would you choose? Occupy EVERYWHERE! http://www.occupytogether.org/
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@EvanHunter (4026)
• United States
27 Oct 11
It sickens me how some people can turn a blind eye to even this or even be so brainwashed to make excuses for it. That soldier took an oath when he enlisted and it was to the constitution the very same one he was using when he was struck down. I have seen the video here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZLyUK0t0vQ&feature=player_embedded There is no doubt the police were deliberately aiming at protestors.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
27 Oct 11
So if the injured vet was one of the cops, would you feel the same? Or would you say he deserved it?
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
27 Oct 11
I didn't ask if you had friends who are cops, or if you are a cop hater. I asked if, in THIS particular situation, if the person hurt was a cop who happened to also be an Iraq War Veteran, would you care about him getting hurt by the actions of some of the Occupiers. Nice dodge, but could you actually answer the question?
• United States
27 Oct 11
I have not only supported my local police department but also a personal friend of the family who was police chief in his campaign for mayor. So no Ted I am not some cop hater that you seem to be implying by even asking.
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• Australia
27 Oct 11
Melbourne is a peculiar place, and that from one who called it home for thirty of his adult years. They are so into control down there now that you can't even swear in the streets lol. Face it, with rare exceptions police forces attract conservatives, but police pay and conditions attracts mostly stupid conservatives, and they are always going to react with stupidity to anyone who challenges their conservative prejudices and preconceptions. I still remember the Vietnam marches and the aggravation of them, not least of which was me getting sacked from the conservative newspaper I worked for because I dared to take a day off to march. Lash
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@sid556 (30953)
• United States
27 Oct 11
Hi Grandpa, I just checked your profile. I spoke of the 60's through the eyes of a child..seriously. You are just enough older than me to have a better understanding of those times. My dad was a teacher and honestly he did not speak out for or against those marches.He always exposed me to things but if he talked of his personal thoughts and I'm sure that he did, I think I was just too young to comprehend the full picture. I remember standing on the sidelines watching a couple of them because some of his students marched. I still have a button pin from one of them. I actually remember supporting them and getting angry at our government and by the time of the Kent State shootings and something in ...memory could be wrong..Chicago?? John Lennon was my hero. I was getting older and just questioned the method. I never felt I fully understood it. I think you have a lot more to say and I wish you would.
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
27 Oct 11
While I'm sure blogs like Huffington post will feed you whatever you want, I'll stick with real news for facts. You're claiming that tear gas was thrown at the guy's face. The reality of the situation is this: "It was not clear exactly what type of object hit the veteran or who might have thrown it" I don't dispute the possibility that it was a tear gas canister hitting him in the face, but I don't believe that it was intentional. What I do believe is that anyone picking fights with the police are asking for trouble. Have you noticed that at the many Tea Parties over the past 3 years that police have not been attacked and subsequently Tea Party protesters have not been hurt or arrested? That's no coincidence. "The trolls at huffpo are suggesting that the peaceful protesters charged the police or threw bottles at them." The protesters aren't all peaceful and it is a FACT that they have thrown things at police. "When riot gear-clad police moved in early Tuesday, they were pelted with rocks, bottles and utensils from people in the camp's kitchen area. They emptied the camp near city hall of people, and barricaded the plaza. Protesters were taken away in plastic handcuffs, most of them arrested on suspicion of illegal lodging. Demonstrators returned later in the day to march and retake the plaza. They were met by police officers in riot gear. Several small skirmishes broke out and officers cleared the area by firing tear gas. The scene repeated itself several times just a few blocks away in front of the plaza. Tensions would build as protesters edged ever closer to the police line and reach a breaking point with a demonstrator hurling a bottle or rock, prompting police to respond with another round of gas." Here you can read the FACTS of the case. http://news.yahoo.com/occupy-protesters-rally-around-wounded-veteran-135137776.html And here you can read about, and watch a video of the occupy wall street thugs breaking into and vandalizing a bank while refusing to leave. http://digitaljournal.com/article/313277 "Reinstating Glass-Steagall, or critically injuring a veteran because he doesn't want money to influence politics. Which one would you choose? " The Oakland police don't have the power to reinstate Glass-Steagall. Is your understanding of government really that bad that you don't know this?
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
27 Oct 11
Actually AP is the source, Yahoo is just the page that it's on. Even the guy narrating the video admits that you can't see how the guy was hurt. Since protesters have been keeping paramedics and emergency personell from doing their jobs and entering the areas prior to this, I can fully understand why the police would use tear gas to keep them away from the injured protester. You'll notice that the video ends quickly after that because they don't want you to see the paramedics arrive with a police escort. They'd rather frame it as the police trying to kill people.
• United States
27 Oct 11
Got video of that because all videos I have seen it was the protestors who carried him away. AP is the source but yahoo always puts their spin on it. "I can fully understand why the police would use tear gas to keep them away from the injured protester" - Really enlighten me with your logic a man is down in the street bleeding and throwing a flash bang right next to him is the perfect way to help? Gimme a break you can't be that twisted to think they were trying to help if so you are just as guilty as the guy who did it.
• United States
27 Oct 11
Really your going to use yahoo news as a "real" source...gimme a break yahoo is nothing but a propaganda tool. I have seen the video here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZLyUK0t0vQ&feature=player_embedded it seems pretty damn clear they (police) hit the guy in the head and than when people came to his aid they attacked those helping him. Is your ability to swallow a bunch of garbage really that good? Sure seems so.
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@sid556 (30953)
• United States
27 Oct 11
Hi there Ladybug, I've talked to some of the people that locally support the Occupiers. They have some good points when you talk to them one on one. What I guess I don't get is the protests and the way that they are going about expressing themselves. This reminds me way too much of the 60's protests. I was just a kid but what stands out was all the innocent people that got hurt and the violence. Remember the Kent State shootings? I'm not going to judge any of this based on one article. I do think that when you get large groups of people protesting like this then people on both sides get overly hyped and things happen and often times innocent people get hurt. I just don't get what this form of expression accomplishes. I really don't. I'm not saying that they may not have some good causes. When I talk with them, they seem to but protesting? Camping in public places? The ones that they really, really want to hear it. Those people that they want to reach really don't care about their signs or campouts. Here in my town, they all marched down the middle of main street on a very busy Sat. afternoon. Yes, they got attention but it was not from the people that really matter. They also got a lot of negative attention from people who maybe would have listened to them if they spoke intelligently but instead they were completely turned off because they were stuck in traffic behind them. They need to organize and send a clear message and in a much more effective way than what they are now.
@sid556 (30953)
• United States
27 Oct 11
Hi Grandpa, Oh don't worry. I'm not at all offended. Like I said, I was a kid back then. My dad was a teacher and he did talk to me a lot about the issues but child that I was, I can't say I fully comprehended it all. What stands out in my memory is the violence and anger. Bra burning, flag burning, lives taken and people hurt. I did agree with the causes. Alot of wonderful changes came about in the 60's. What I don't recall is how many of these changes came about as a direct result of all these protests and the violence. I just don't understand how carrying signs and camping out grabs the attention of those that matter enough to bring about the changes they are seeking. I agree with raising awareness and all but is this really the right way to go about it? I didn't get it then and I don't now. And trust me...I was all about ending segregation and women's rights and ending the Vietnam war back then also. I am not saying you are wrong. I'm admitting that I don't understand. If you are right then I'm missing something that I need to know. Educate me, please.
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@sid556 (30953)
• United States
27 Oct 11
ok,I get that. I love that people are coming together and united for a cause. It just seems so unorganized. I don't see the people that really need to be reached caring about all this. I don't know about this. Just seems there has to be a better way. Where I live the did get attention when standing in the common. Local business people came out and talked to them and some joined them. Then they marhed down the middle of main street and held up a ton of traffic. Right there, they annoyed some otherwise potential backers and why? They weren't shocked..they were irritated. I know they have to get people's attention but is there not a better way. Truthfully with this group, I read conflicting stories and I'm not sure what to think. I watch and listen to both sides trying to understand as well as sort through the truth and the lies. I get confused.
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• Australia
27 Oct 11
I'm not picking on you, a number of others have brought up this 60's thing, but I do have to ask a question. The 60s thing got segregation removed and Vietnam ended. Yes, it cost some lives, but those lives were taken by the establishment's overreaction, and where is the point in indulging in safe and comfortable dissent? It's an oxymoron. Ghandi's peaceful protest movement in India cost thousands of lives from government overreaction, yet India reached independence as a direct result of the protests. What, then, is so wrong with this protest echoing the 60s? Lash
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@irishidid (8687)
• United States
27 Oct 11
Is there an actual news report of this?
@irishidid (8687)
• United States
27 Oct 11
I found the news report. Not a word about this person being an Iraq war veteran or even if he was in critical condition. It did mention paint being thrown on the police by protesters who called them pigs. Go figure Huffpo would leave that part out! http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2011/10/26/MNUB1LLTC9.DTL
@irishidid (8687)
• United States
27 Oct 11
I take that back, it was confirmed in another report. However, if you are in a situation that you know is violent, you take risks.
• United States
27 Oct 11
"However, if you are in a situation that you know is violent, you take risks." - Do you take the same attitude with veterans who are killed in war? Protest shouldn't be violent it is part of the constitution and your rights, you know the same constitution that service members take an oath to defend. If you were in a store and someone was shop lifting would you expect to be arrested and everyone else who was there? Thanks for being part of the corruption in government.
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@opalina143 (1240)
• Morristown, New Jersey
27 Oct 11
this is really horrible. I just shared it on Facebook. I think it's incredible how are media avoided covering the occupy Wall Street protest at all for as long as they could, and know they're minimizing them. Of course, it's no surprise that Fox would, considering where they stand. But the other networks aren't much better. People need to get the word out on Facebook and on forums like my lot, like you have. Hopefully all my Facebook friends will see what I posted about this article. Thank you for sharing it, it's so horrible to think about. I really hope this brave man pulls through
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
27 Oct 11
While I do feel for the veteran, and pray for his health and safety, characterizing the event as "peaceful" is far from factual. The police came in to enforce the laws that were being broken, but they were attacked by protesters. If this vet was one of the cops, and sustained the same injuries, would you give a crap? Or would you say he deserved it?
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
28 Oct 11
You already know the answer Ted. If the protesters bombed the police station ladybug would say they deserved it.
• United States
27 Oct 11
Once again....they are protesting in the wrong place. Plus the news reports I have seen have said this whole thing was set up by acorn. Not good.