boys punishment results in mother being punished

United States
February 21, 2012 7:40am CST
I saw this and my jaw bout dropped. A mother had her son who had been kicked of the school bus walk to school, only problem is she made him walk to school nearly 5 miles on his own. http://zhiphopcleveland.com/features/news/lhatch/mother-faces-jail-time-for-forcing-son-to-walk-5-miles-to-school/ Now I've told my kids they miss the buss they are walking to school. However, I know my kids are too small to walk their own so I'd walk with them I would not let them walk alone. We've walked to school once before an my daughter knows it's tiring at a bit short of 2miles so she gets going. Though other than the fact that she had him walk such a distance alone I don't feel she really did anything wrong? Do you think she should be charged with endangerment? How many of us used to walk to school w/o adult supervision?
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11 responses
• Ireland
21 Feb 12
I don't see anything wrong with having the child walk walk to school, although 5 miles is a bit far, some of us have had to walk further for various reasons. My problem is definitely with the fact that she made him walk on his own. That is wreckless endangerment of a child and a punishable offence.
• United States
21 Feb 12
I agree she should not of made him go to school that distance alone.
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@Hatley (163772)
• Garden Grove, California
21 Feb 12
yes if she or another adult had walked with him there would have been no trouble. cleveland a big city thats just plain reckless.
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@katsmeow1213 (28716)
• United States
21 Feb 12
I did not read the article, but I would say it depends on the age. A teenager would have no problem with this, but if it were a younger child I could see where there would be a problem. My oldest is 14 and likes to go out for runs on the weekends and such, and when he was on the track team they ran 5 miles every day. I would not think 5 miles would be a big deal for him. The younger kids, I would drive them if they missed the bus. Actually we have had to drive them before because we overslept and missed the bus.
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@laglen (19759)
• United States
20 Mar 12
I agree with Kat, there is always more to the story than what we hear. I had to walk to school when I was a kid and that was a few miles. The exercise never did kill me.
• United States
21 Feb 12
The boy didn't miss the bus he was kicked off the bus multiple times for bad behavior on the bus and I think the Mother was at her wits end. Walking would make him realize that it's better to take the bus than to walk all that way.
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• United States
21 Feb 12
It would still depend on his age and location to determine whether that was an appropriate punishment or not.
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@shaggin (74987)
• United States
21 Feb 12
Wow 5 miles to make your child walk to school is alot especially to have to walk that far on their own at a young age. I know here that a lot of parents do let their children walk to school but you arent allowed to be left alone at home until you are 11 here so I think really the parents who are letting their kids walk to school and home by themselves could get in trouble. I would never expect my child to walk 5 miles. That is insanity their legs would be so tired they could wind up collapsing before they could even make it to school. I see what she is trying to do punish him for his bad behavior but this wasnt the right way to do it.
@sid556 (30953)
• United States
20 Mar 12
we think a lot alike, Shaggin...you should be worried. I responded before reading through. He yelled. I would like to know what he yelled and more about the situation. Did he yell at the bus driver? Was he just loud and boistrous? Back in my day, the bus driver would make such a kid sit up in the front seat right and not near his buddies. He's 10. If the mom felt that he deserved to be kicked off the bus then she should have walked to school with him. I would have if I felt that was the right punishment. 5 miles is a long way. I would never ever risk something happening to my child by allowing him to walk that far. In the video, he came across as mature beyond his years and very respectful.
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@shaggin (74987)
• United States
20 Mar 12
Today there was a different bus driver on my daughters bus. He came a little earlier then the other bus drivers usually do so she wound up missing the bus. It was about 50 out so I put my son in the stroller and my daughter and I walked to the the school which is about a half mile away maybe less. It took us about 15 minutes. It was a nice morning to take a short walk. I would have driven though if I had a choice but my van is in the garage getting fixed.
@dragon54u (31633)
• United States
21 Feb 12
They have no business punishing the mother!! The kid obviously needs a big wakeup call--losing his bus privileges for the 5th time?! Somebody has to wake his butt up with some drastic action and that mother was totally correct. Now, I would not make a kid that age walk that far these days but I've always been overprotective. I would make him ride his bike and I would ride with him. It would be a good time to talk. But if that mom feels walking is appropriate that's her business. I suppose those officials would rather see the boy continue his bad behavior and eventually get sucked into the "correctional" system....
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@sid556 (30953)
• United States
20 Mar 12
Don't you think we need more to this story? it says he "yelled". Was he angry or was he just loud?
• United States
21 Feb 12
Exactly and it seems now days the kids can get away with more because every little punishment could raise an eyebrow and in turn make the parent the guilty one instead of the child. What is she going to make him do sit in the naughty chair? That works with kids that are not school age but now days you need to a punishment to fit the "crime". I agree riding a bike would be a good suggestion or going along with him because it is such a distance. Plus one would want to ensure he got to school to, it's not like it's a few blocks away.
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@beamer88 (4259)
• Philippines
21 Feb 12
Nowadays that's really a bit harsh as a punishment for a kid. But where I live, especially in the countryside, some children walk a few miles also just to go to school. You could even see around six 9 year-old kids crammed in a tricycle (it's a common mode of transportation) with some just barely hanging on. My dad had told me that they also walked to school when they were kids since public transportation wasn't that many then. Our current Senate president who is a very successful lawyer by profession walked around 5 miles also to go to school. I feel sorry for the child but I wasn't really that surprised since it's still common in my country.
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@soulist (2985)
• United States
26 Mar 12
I agree I know many children who walk that alone to and from school especially in the city. I know some people find that a harsh punishment for missing the bus Some of the kids around here walk to school because they miss the bus or they have no other way home due to parents having to work.
@bagarad (14283)
• Paso Robles, California
24 Feb 12
I feel sorry for the parent. It's possible she was a working mom and couldn't walk with him. She may have tried other punishments that didn't work. It's hard to judge another. She probably wanted him to learn to appreciate what the bus was doing for him. Hindsight is always better than foresight. Maybe the mother should have gone to the school when the son kept getting kicked off the bus and asked the principal what he would do if it were his child? She may not know how to deal with him. Chances are good she's a single mom just trying to do her best with a kid that needs a dad. It's too late for hindsight now. ABout all she can do is tell the judge she was at her wit's end and ask what he'd do if it were his child.
• United States
24 Feb 12
Great answer! Exactly and she could beg the judge for leiniency if this was a first offense. No child comes with a manual other than common sense in most instances.
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@marguicha (230350)
• Chile
28 Feb 12
I agree to that too. Clearly the boy needed some punishment although maybe his behaviour should have been stopped in another way before. But I´m worried about children that are never stopped or punished and end up being predators. So, the mother is to blame whether she punishes and if she doesn´t punish? I believe that rights should go together with duties. It seems that children now have a lot of rights and no duties at all. So things get out of control.
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@bagarad (14283)
• Paso Robles, California
28 Feb 12
One reason things get out of control is because the government has decided it knows more about parenting than a child's parents. It has decided parents shouldn't spank their children and children learn they can report their parents to social services for it in some cases. The people they send out to help teach parents what they can and can't do under threat of taking their children away may be single and divorced with no children of their own. They regurgitate the textbook answers they got in social work classes. The little children -- the infants and toddlers who can't protect themselves -- are often the most abused children and in the most danger. This abuse often goes undetected. But preteens and teens have learned about the system, including protective services, maybe even in school, and report their parents for anything they perceive as injustice -- real, imagined, or made up. The child is always right in the eyes of protective services. So when parents try to enforce the boundaries they've set for these children, they can in trouble -- just as this parent did. Will parents make mistakes? Sure they will. Will police officers and social workers make mistakes? You bet they will. And so will judges. Yet, the government holds parents responsible if a child doesn't go to school or breaks other laws. Parents can win. If they try to discipline their children, the government gets after them. If they can't control their children, the government holds them responsible. Not every child will respond to a "time out" or loss of privileges. Some children might need a spanking -- not a beating -- just a spanking. Most of us over 40 or 50 remember having to go pick out the switch we knew would connect with or little legs when we were disorient. Many who are in their 70's or 80's remember sessions in the woodshed with their dads. Guess what? We didn't have near as many juvenile violent offenders in those days. When I was in high school in the 1950's very few in my high school class got in trouble with the law, and there offenses were hardly ever violent. One of the boys who used to steal hubcaps from people parked at church while his parents thought he was at church himself grew up to be the mayor of that city 40 years later. And we considered him a juvenile delinquent -- even though he wasn't caught. I don't advocate child abuse. But I will say that many unabusive practices many of us faced as children that were somewhat painful temporarily did make us think twice about repeating the behavior. I wonder how many of those who commit violent crimes might not have if their parents had disciplined them fairly and consistently (not in the heat of anger) when they needed it. I know many who were actually abused physically and emotionally do later become violent. But there are many others that were simply given no enforced boundaries or were simply yelled at with no real consequences if they misbehaved.
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• United States
21 Feb 12
When I was a child, I never took the bus to school because my grandmother always drove us to school and our school was less than two miles away. Depending on the laws, I would say she could be charged with child endangerment, but then I know parents and grandparents who will say, "Well, when I was a kid I used to have to walk five miles to school without my parents." Personally, I would not recommend letting any child do that these days because you don't know who is out there in those five miles. Places are not as safe as they used to be. The child could have been kidnapped and gone missing, and no one would know it until it was time for the child to come home from school.
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@bobmnu (8157)
• United States
16 Mar 12
What is the mother to do? If she spanked the child she would be charged with abuse. If she does nothing everyone will say she is a bad parent. I say good for the mother. We need more Mothers like her that are making the children responsible for their behavior. What is the punishment for the boy if mom drives him to school? Maybe he will learn how to behave on the bus. What society allows for punishment for children is not a punishment in the eyes of the child. Kicking him off the bus was no punishment. Maybe if he had been paddled the first time he might have learned.
@sid556 (30953)
• United States
20 Mar 12
She should have walked with him. You don't take risks with your child's safety..simple. What did he do bad? He yelled. I really want to know more of the story before calling this kid "bad". He did not come across as "bad" in the video. What did he "yell"? What was the situation? This kid is 10 and 5 miles is a long way. If he really was bad then sure, but make sure he is safe and that he is not walking alone! She was on vacation so there is no excuse. IF he was bad enough to warrant this punishment then if she was unable to walk with him, she should have found someone that could. You should not let a 10yr old walk that distance on his own.
@sid556 (30953)
• United States
20 Mar 12
Hi Snuggle, I listened to the video and the kid talk. As a parent, I would not have done this to my 10 yr old and especially for this reason. He got kicked off the bus for talking too loud!!! A bit more self control is needed I suppose but that comes with age. When I was a kid, I remember kids getting kicked off the bus for throwing things, smoking, swearing, hurting someone, not staying seated and things like that. My brother and a couple of his friends had a tendency to get a bit loud. They were not allowed to sit near each other for the longest time but never got kicked off. I would say that this bus driver was wrong in kicking him off to begin with. Good lord, I'm sure a bus load of kids in that age group isn't quiet anyway. If this kid were exceptionally loud and I imagine he was then why not have him sit up at the front of the bus and away from his buddies. I'm sure he was being loud all on his own. On the video, the kid appeared to be a very respectful kid and quite mature in accepting his punishment. As a mom, I would have contacted the bus company and maybe set up a meeting. I would want more details to this story. I feel like there may have been more to the story than the kid just being loud and who were the other kids involved. Even if he were really bad, I would not make my 10 yr old walk 5 miles to school. I would be worried sick that he wouldn't make it. It's illegal to leave a child under 11 (or maybe its 12) unsupervised for a reason. I'd take away other privileges but never would I make him walk 5 miles alone at that age. Now had she walked with him, that'd be another story. And come to think of it, why didn't she?
@bobmnu (8157)
• United States
20 Mar 12
I don't know the law in AK but in most states to remove a student from the bus you have to give the student Due Process. I don't know what he was removed for, I would be willing to bet it was not just for talking. Having dealt with students like him they see nothing wrong with their behavior. I have had students tell me that hitting another students was not that bad. Some even deny they did anything even if it is on video. The problem is that the school can not make any comments on this case so we only have the boys side of the story.
@sid556 (30953)
• United States
20 Mar 12
http://news92fm.com/abc-national-news/abc-news-radio/mom-faces-jail-for-making-son-walk-to-school/
@Hatley (163772)
• Garden Grove, California
21 Feb 12
3snugglebunnies in that area I think she real.ly was at fault as she should have known the dangers for a child that young walking five miles in a city that has high crime rate. that is insane. I think she should have used some other punishment as if he had been hit by a car or kidnapped by some stranger she would surely blame herself. I lived three miles from school but it was South Dakota where the weather is nasty .I was a country kid and we did not have to walk as there was a bus that picked us up but my dad being the town doctor drove me to school most mornings. So only when my dad was out of town for some reason then I took the bus, I had to walk a quarter of a mile to the highway but was picked up there. I always had fun when I got to ride the school bus with the other country kids., In ]cold climates nobody there from the country walked to school as you could get frost bite too easily. I feel the mom should have known better.Cleveland for God's sakes, no they were right to charge her.
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@Masihi (4413)
• Canada
21 Feb 12
The laws have changed and the predators are out in full force, that's why the lady's going to jail. Well, I do agree with the police charging her because the kid could've been abducted. She should've walked her son to school as a suitable punishment. Here in Canada we're not even allowed to leave our kids at home even for a short time by themselves unless they're 12 years old and accompanied by a sibling or friend 12 years old and older. When I was a kid they didn't have that law in place and so I walked to school, which was a ten minute walk, no biggie.
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