I Thought Dissent Was Patriotic

@gewcew23 (8007)
United States
June 30, 2009 2:41pm CST
Remember how America was founded on dissent, and it was our duty as American to criticise our government. Well I guess that just stopped the moment Obama become President.
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@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
1 Jul 09
[b] [i] “TO ANNOUNCE THAT THERE MUST BE NO CRITICISM OF THE PRESIDENT, OR THAT WE ARE TO STAND BY THE PRESIDENT, RIGHT OR WRONG, IS NOT ONLY UNPATRIOTIC AND SERVILE, BUT IS MORALLY TREASONABLE TO THE AMERICAN PUBLIC.” [/b] [/i] ~ Theodore Roosevelt
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@gewcew23 (8007)
• United States
1 Jul 09
Great quote!
@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
1 Jul 09
yay I got a BR!!!! *happy dance*
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@clutterbug (1051)
• United States
30 Jun 09
Yes, it stopped the moment he became Pres. because he has an agenda. Capitalism is soon going to be a dirty word, because making a profit is now evil (unless you're in Congress).
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@gewcew23 (8007)
• United States
30 Jun 09
Or if you are making profits selling carbon credits.
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@piasabird (1737)
• United States
30 Jun 09
Oh, you mean like how Al Gore has part ownership of a company that does just that. If they pass this cap and trade tax he should make out like a bandit.
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@N4life (851)
• United States
30 Jun 09
Just as Bhush, Cheney and all the neo-cons got rich off oil? Wow Democrats don't have the market on subsidizing businesses they have interests in. ThisDem vs Republican thing is really kind of ridiculous. We all know at least 90% of our politicians will lie cheat and steal for money and power. No matter their party!
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
30 Jun 09
Niether Carter, Reagan or either of the Bush's tried to silence the people who disagreed with them. On the other hand, Clinton and Obama are so wimpy they can't handle the least bit of criticism.
@gewcew23 (8007)
• United States
1 Jul 09
Oh and do not forget Robert F. Kennedy Jr and Joe Biden
• United States
30 Jun 09
Bush never called anyone unpatriotic: He had his friends do if for him (Rush, Hannity, Church, Levin).
@heathcliff (1415)
• United States
30 Jun 09
Actually it was John Adams amd Thomas Jefferson who tried to jail their opponents: darn Sedition Law. Thankfully, the country collectively came to its senses. Today, dissention is great when applied to a policy or a program, especially when it is coupled with solutions, but personal attacks with no basis would seem to be rather foolish. Dissent IS patriotic, hate is not! Besides, Obama's worst critics still have the right to voice their concerns, just like more intelligent people have the right to laugh at those critics when they cannot provide a decent argument. Perhaps that is what they are really afraid of: not being silenced, but being laughed at! Anybody brings up a valid argument against a specific policy and the debate can begin, but name calling is silly. Sure there will be a handful of people who defend Obama no matter what he does, but there are far more right now trying to attack him (and not his politics) for some strange reason.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
30 Jun 09
Actualy, John Adams and Thomas Jefferson were among the authors of the concept that the people should be armed to help keep the government from becoming tyranical. Talk about advocating dissent! :~D
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@bobmnu (8157)
• United States
30 Jun 09
It was Lincoln and FDR who did lock up reporters who disagreed with them. President Lincoln even had the military standing by when Maryland legislature was voting on weather to succeed from the Union or not with orders to arrest thos who votede for succession. Aren't those the two presidents that Obama wants to be like?
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
30 Jun 09
FDR also imprisoned anyone with the "wrong" race or national origin. I'm amazed at the way democrats treat him like a hero despite prolonging a 12 year depression and putting honest hard working Americans into concentration camps for only the most racist reasons.
@N4life (851)
• United States
30 Jun 09
Some people here on MyLot thought if you said something bad about Bush you were un-patriotic. The country will be as fine as it has always been and continue on. We will get out of the recession, govt will never be perfect and people will always complain when the person they voted for did not get President, and whine like chicken little that the sky is falling. Then when they vote for someone who wins everything is better and those that did not vote for that person are screaming the sky is falling. It all gets kinda funny.
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@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
5 Jul 09
I bet that they said the country would be fine as Nero fiddled too...or maybe they did get a little alarmed when the barbarian Germans came knocking on the emperor's door in Rome itself! As for your remark about chicken little...even sometimes the paranoid people are correct in being afraid.
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• United States
30 Jun 09
In what sense? I agree that America has become too passive but I'm not quite sure what the correlation is between Obama and lack of government criticism.
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@gewcew23 (8007)
• United States
30 Jun 09
Well some people here on MyLot believe that Obama is above approach when it comes to criticizing. If you do you are either a fear mongrel, a hate mongrel, or a combination of the two.
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@bobmnu (8157)
• United States
30 Jun 09
It was then Senator Clinton who stated that it was our patriotic duty to voice our opposition.
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• United States
30 Jun 09
Bob, she was correct in stating this. It is EVERYONES job to question your government, no matter what party is in office. The problem that many of us have is when your patriotism is questioned by people who are trying to shut you up (see the last 8 years).
@Destiny007 (5805)
• United States
1 Jul 09
Dissent is patriotic... as long as that dissent is directed against conservatives. When it is directed at liberals, communists, and democrats... which are the same group.... then it is called racist hate speech by domestic terrorists.
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@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
5 Jul 09
Yes, the tide has turned and the leadership we have now is out for blood. Not only satisfied to call names and spew insults at conservatives but making lists of 'dangerous extremist' that include every veteran and every one who dissents... I believe they will not stop until they have silenced every voice of dissent. Just what ARE those FEMA camps for MR. President..and if they're for housing disaster survivors...why the big ovens and barbed wire facing IN, to keep people from escaping. I am not a republican nor am I a democrat..each have had a hand in ruining my country. I am an American...that is all. And I will remind all of both parties that POLITICIANS of both ranks are human and have made mistakes in judgment. But this one we have now...he KNOWS just what he is doing, he's not merely making mistakes in judgement....and he's in a rush to get whatever it is done. Not to mention....he has embraced a culture that has sworn to defeat the west for almost 1400 hundred years (after assuring us he was not a Muslim). Read your history books...to think we can negotiate with these people is absurd....yet he bows to them and praises them and apologizes to them for our behavior as a nation? The Muslim culture sees this as a weakness, not a strength. They will not admire us for showing weakness! And so many thought that those who warned of his leanings were reactionary or racist...they are now wondering if they missed something? I've read two or three articles in the last week from the LIBERAL press calling him to task for his decisions. And here we are calling names and spewing insults...instead of calling him to task and demanding our Constitution be followed to the letter. Where IS the BIRTH CERTIFICATE BARRY? And who paid for your expensive college education??? Just who are YOU beholden too? Forgive me for my radical patriotism...after all, it is the Fourth of July.
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@Latrivia (2878)
• United States
30 Jun 09
No, it happens in every administration as far back as I can remember. The party that loses complains about the president/governor/congressman who wins, and the party of that politician state that you should be a good little American and support that person. Dissent is a good thing, but you have to realize that the people and organizations you level you dissent at aren't going to just sit back and take it, and neither are their followers. As long as it's not being outlawed, however, it's not something you should worry about.
@N4life (851)
• United States
30 Jun 09
This is the truth. When an administration defends itself it is squashing dissent. If it does not defend itself it is because it is weak and knows that its' policies are wrong.
• United States
30 Jun 09
Gew, I think that democrats are just treating republicans the same way we were when we critised Bush. If you don't like it now, then why didn't you stand up and say something while it was happening?
@N4life (851)
• United States
30 Jun 09
Exactly, this is the backlash. That is what the minority does not undestand. Now they are feeling all self righteous like they are rebels with the answers straight from above!
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• United States
1 Jul 09
I did not like it when it happened during the Bush years. I don't like it now. People are NOT unAmerican just because they disagree with the current administration and voice that opinion. You know the whole two wrongs don't make a right. just because some dems were called that by some repubs does not make it right for them to do it now. At some point you think someone would have stood up by now and said enough is enough. On either side. People just need to grow up. It is ok to disagree. It is ok to voice your opinions. Healthy debate is good. Unforunately more often than not instead of being a healthy debate it turns into grade school style name calling. On both sides.
@N4life (851)
• United States
1 Jul 09
I can agree with that lilwonder. I was just looking over the discussion about what would u do if you were President and surprisingly there are many things from those that would consider themselves to be on the opposite end of the political spectrum which I agree with. There are some, of course, which I do not agree and I would certainly do differently, but many points of agreement. I think it is easy for people not in govt to get caught up in the same B.S. that our "leaders" do. Many of us who put any kind of thougt into our system at all are really not that far apart.