Owning a microwave oven

@RawBill1 (8531)
Gold Coast, Australia
August 24, 2011 7:08pm CST
Commenting on a friends discussion earlier got me thinking of an event that happened at our place a couple of weeks ago. We had friends over who we had not seen in a long time. They are more mainstream than us and a little puzzled by our lifestyle I am pretty sure! Anyway, they have a young child and the mother asked if she could heat up her son's milk in our microwave. When my wife replied that we do not have a microwave, she looked horrified and went into a mild panic. You could see the look on her face that said "What am I going to do now?" My wife then replied that we DO have a stove top that you CAN heat things on you know and she instantly showed relief on her face. It must not have occurred to her that stoves could be used just like they used to in the old days before microwaves! So, what I was wondering is just how many people out there do NOT have microwave ovens. Do you rely on your microwave for everything if you have one? If you do not own one, then why not?
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@veganbliss (3895)
• Adelaide, Australia
25 Aug 11
Never had one, never will! Waste of money for the poorest quality food you can get! I guess I'll never never know if I never never... anyway! My slow combustion wood heater/stove is the best way to cook food as well as heat the whole house quickly. Gas is the next best way to cook food, followed by electric - or variations thereof... with the microwave coming a very poor last! I've been 100% raw for the past four weeks though, so I might as well sell everything for scrap metal! What do people need to heat milk for anyway? If the stuff has that many nasties in it that need heat to kill them, then why not drink something descent?
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@RawBill1 (8531)
• Gold Coast, Australia
25 Aug 11
Good on you for never getting one. We had one in the past before we "became enlightened" and used to like it as many who are blindly caught up in mainstream society do. That slow combustion stove sounds great. I would love something like that here to warm our place, but most of the year, it would not be used. Well done on the whole 100% raw thing. How are you feeling? Any different? You know I agree about the milk thing. What is wrong with water?
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@RawBill1 (8531)
• Gold Coast, Australia
25 Aug 11
Yeah, don't drink out of the Murray! No spring water suppliers down there? Surely there must be some fresh springs somewhere in amongst all those caves? Really? You are collecting microwaves and building torches?? Do you have a link for instructions for that? All the steel in the microwaves would collect a bit at the scrap metal yards too I imagine if you took in a trailer load of them!
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• Adelaide, Australia
25 Aug 11
Bugger the water! Down here, water's full of animal & agricultural waste, fluoridation & chlorination, etc - worst in the nation! Go the mighty GD Coconuts!!! I was about 98% raw before that anyway, but I'm feeling great now! I thought I would feel faint or light-headed, but there hasn't been any of that. It's saving me more money too. Microwaves are being thrown out onto the streets everywhere down here in kerbside collections, etc. The coil under the turntable is great for making those battery-less hand-powered LED torches. I've just finished the CBD, now I'm about to start "collecting" near work!
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@marguicha (215584)
• Chile
25 Aug 11
I bought a microwave oven maybe 20 years ago (the very first that were brought to my country) as my husband could come from work for a second at any time during lunch time. He would not eat a thing elsewhere and he was a diabetic. So, even though he told me to give him "anything", I preferred to have real nutritious food. But it had to be heated quickly and then my microwave was worth it. I like to cook on a real stove though so now the only ones who use it are my daughters that heat and reheat an awful concoction they make for themselves and call it coffee. My microwave oven serves another good purpose now: it is my kitchen watch as it has a big number clock
@marguicha (215584)
• Chile
26 Aug 11
I reheated some rice while the stew was getting properly heated on the range and the salad was being getting dressed..But as my eyes grow worse, I can assure you that I love that clock more every day that goes by
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@RawBill1 (8531)
• Gold Coast, Australia
26 Aug 11
I can imagine that those big numbers would help in that regard!
@RawBill1 (8531)
• Gold Coast, Australia
25 Aug 11
Yeah, they are good for a kitchen clock I guess, but they take up a lot of bench space just to be used for that! When we go on trips and stay in hotels or cabins that have them, we use them to store things in. One tiny cabin we had little bench space, so our books went in there. Another time, we stored our fruit in one! Yes, you do need to be giving diabetics nutritious foods, but microwaving food might kill the nutrition in it! I have seen people reverse diabetes with raw foods, so no need for cooking anything then!
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@GardenGerty (157623)
• United States
25 Aug 11
I have one, I use it in moderation. I know of more people who have opted not to have a stove with burners and an oven, but have relied on microwaves and other small electrical appliances. I do not know too many who choose not to have a microwave. It is kind of like people who do not have land line phones, only cells.
@RawBill1 (8531)
• Gold Coast, Australia
25 Aug 11
That is the way that society is going, but these electrical devices, particularly mobile devices such as microwaves, phones and laptops emit harmful electronic frequencies. These are known to cause damage, but just how much damage over time is unknown as we have not lived generations with them like we have fixed line phones and conventional stoves and ovens. Too much of the unknown for my liking.
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@aeiou78 (3445)
• Malaysia
28 Aug 11
I do have a microwave at my home. This microwave is hardly used because we normally like to use the stove to boil, to steam and to cook foods. About this microwave, I have a very negative impression. This microwave oven is just good for me to heat up my cold foods. Other than this, the microwave has no other usage. First of all, the microwave oven can not be used to cook raw foods and to boil water. The generated heat by this microwave oven is insufficient to kill the bacterias. We shall be careful of using this microwave oven while the generation of radiation during our cooking.
@Aussies2007 (5336)
• Australia
25 Aug 11
I did not get a microwave until 2004. So I was about 20 years behind the rest. lol I still don't use it very much. I don't cook anything in it. I only use it to warm up things. And it is against my religion to make a cup of coffee in a microwave. lol
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• Australia
25 Aug 11
Yes they do. lol They put a tea spoon of coffee in a cold cup of water, and warm it up in the microwave. lol
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@RawBill1 (8531)
• Gold Coast, Australia
25 Aug 11
I was probably about ten years behind the rest, but then got rid of mine around the same time that you got yours. We do not miss it at all and have no need for it. Do people really make coffee in microwaves these days? As I am not a microwave user or a coffee drinker, I am totally out of the loop on that one!
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@RawBill1 (8531)
• Gold Coast, Australia
25 Aug 11
Good morning. You are another early riser like me are you? Someone further up the discussion mentioned the same thing with coffee in a microwave. I used to be a coffee drinker but I never did that!
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@bubbletush (1332)
• Philippines
25 Aug 11
I used to own a microwave oven and I must admit that I totally became dependent on the microwave oven. I bought microwavable containers, heat and cooked almost everything using the microwave. Then one day, my microwave just broke down. I felt so helpless the first few weeks. But decided not to buy a new one because like what you've said, I can use the stove to heat food. It has been six months already that I do not have a microwave and I can say I do not really feel helpless anymore nor feel the need to have one.
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@RawBill1 (8531)
• Gold Coast, Australia
26 Aug 11
Yes 163Mandolingirl, those prepackaged microwave meals are probably the worst meal that one could cook for themselves at home. Not really what I would call food!
@RawBill1 (8531)
• Gold Coast, Australia
25 Aug 11
I am sure that you are not alone in feeling dependant on an appliance. I am like that with my blender. If I cannot make myself a smoothie during the day, I feel a little stressed. (but only a little) We can survive without these things and will eat better without them too in my opinion. The microwave revolution created all sorts of nasty quick poisonous meals that people rely on these days and it is very sad I think.
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26 Aug 11
What worries me about those meals is the fact they come in plastic containers, which when heated can give off dioxines. Well, bad chemiclas, anyway. I only use my microwave to heat up food I have cooked myself from scratch and frozen, and then put in a glass container for cooking. I don't buy any processed food for the microwave any more.
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@bounce58 (17387)
• Canada
25 Aug 11
When I was growing up, my mom would pack my lunch for school. I didn't have sandwiches for lunch, instead I had regular meals packed in small tupperwares. There were no microwaves back then, so I got used to eating cold lunches. Anyway, my kids today can't live without the microwave. I bet if our microwave broke down, they wouldn't figure it out to use the stove.
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@RawBill1 (8531)
• Gold Coast, Australia
25 Aug 11
No microwaves! Wow, you must have grown up in the dark ages like me with no internet, no mobile phones or Ipods either! How on earth did we survive? My kids have grown up without a microwave, so they might not even know how to use one! They do know how to use a blender and a juicer though!
@bounce58 (17387)
• Canada
26 Aug 11
Not only that, we didn't have game consoles. We had to play in the streets to amuse ourselves. We we're such cavemen!
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26 Aug 11
'Ah, I remember it well!'
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@peavey (16936)
• United States
25 Aug 11
I have a microwave but I was a holdout for a long time, only getting one when my son thought I needed one for Christmas one year. I kind of got used to it, so when it quit working, I bought another small one, but I could do without one easily. I don't use it very often, usually only to warm a plate of leftovers.
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@RawBill1 (8531)
• Gold Coast, Australia
25 Aug 11
I am glad to hear that you do not use one very often, but they do take up a lot of valuable space in the kitchen only to be used every now and then.
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@ladym33 (10979)
• United States
25 Aug 11
I actually have a microwave and a microhood which works as both a microwave and a regular oven. It is a second oven that I can use for holidays like Thanksgiving. But it is also a very powerful microwave, but I still use my old one that is at least 22 years old because it was my mother in laws and she gave it to us after we got married. We have been married for almost 22 years. I don't know how long she had it before she gave it to us. I also have another one in our crawlspace that we got as a wedding present, but it is too big for the counter top I would have to put it on. We often have left overs that we will eat for the lunch the next day so we usually heat them up in the microwave. I could probably live without one if I had to though.
@RawBill1 (8531)
• Gold Coast, Australia
25 Aug 11
It almost sounds like you are a collector of the things! It is quite easy to live without them. Things only take slightly longer to reheat or cook the traditional way and you don't have to worry about whether or not you are doing harm to your body from the micro waves.
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@ANTIQUELADY (36440)
• United States
25 Aug 11
HI BILL, It is sad to me that younger people rely on such things. I do have a microwave but all i use it for mostly is to just warm up leftovers when i have them. I just fix me a plate & warm it up. I never really cook anything in it.
@RawBill1 (8531)
• Gold Coast, Australia
25 Aug 11
Hi Jo. This sort of goes along with your discussion about cooking for one. I can see the attraction of having one to reheat meals and we used to do the same, but when we gave our microwave away and went back to the stove, it really did not make a big difference. And at least we know that the stove will not emit any dangerous electrical waves.
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@teamrose (1492)
• United States
25 Aug 11
I haven't had my stove on in over a year. I use the microwave to heat water for tea, although lately I've been making sun tea which is so much better. I'm trying very hard to be at least 80% raw, but I must admit breaking the restaurant habit is really hard.
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@RawBill1 (8531)
• Gold Coast, Australia
25 Aug 11
Sun tea is awesome. I should do more of that myself, but I must admit to using the kettle to make my herbal teas. That is great that you do not use your stove anymore. Must mean you are on the right track at home. Eating out with friends can be challenging in regards to staying high raw. We are lucky here in our city that there is a strong vegan community and there are now a few raw places to eat out. How is it in Florida? I thought that the USA was filled with raw vegan eateries, but I guess most of them might be on the West Coast and in New York?
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@allknowing (130064)
• India
25 Aug 11
I have opted out of going in for a microwave. My present heating system amply takes care of my needs. Although I like to live in style I am not convinced that a microwave will improve my life any better.
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@RawBill1 (8531)
• Gold Coast, Australia
25 Aug 11
You are on the right path there. I completely agree with you that having a microwave will not improve my life one bit. In fact, it may hinder me, so I choose not to go there.
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• China
28 Aug 11
That lady made a fuss somewhat.I possess a microwave,but I waste its "talent" on a petty job.I seldom use it apart from reheating leftover.Perhaps you have known chinese cuisine puts stir-frying first.
@RawBill1 (8531)
• Gold Coast, Australia
29 Aug 11
That is a good choice. Stir frying vegetables is much better than microwaving them! I do not know if I would call what the microwave does talent though!
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• China
30 Aug 11
Stir frying vegetable can prevent some vitamins from being destroyed due to overheat.
@RawBill1 (8531)
• Gold Coast, Australia
31 Aug 11
This is true. I eat my vegetables mostly raw or lightly steamed. This minimises enzyme loss. Stir frying would be similar to lightly steaming maybe.
25 Aug 11
A lot of us here in the UK have microwaves. I was, like you, a bit suspicious at first but gave in and have had one for the last 23 years. My first one just conked out after nearly 22 years. That's not bad going! I do have both a gas-stove/oven and a small Halogen oven. I must admit that the HO gets used almost every day as it is cheaper to run and heats up instantly. It's a wonderful bit of kit that makes everything taste so much better, especially chicken, because it cooks without drying. Here is a link for the HO: www.jmldirect.com/HalogenOven
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@RawBill1 (8531)
• Gold Coast, Australia
26 Aug 11
I thought the self cleaning spiel might have been a little too good to be true! Energy bills have gone crazy here in Australia too. In fact, it is probably a worldwide issue. Everything seems to have radically jumped up in price over the last decade or so.
26 Aug 11
Well, I wouldn't say it does that entirely without human help! You fill it to the mark, put in some washing-up liquid and then turn it on to 'Wash'. Then it usually needs scrubbing out, tipping out in the sink and then drying! If it is only a little grubby, it can be wiped inside with a hot damp cloth. Having said all that, you just get used to what you need to do. It is still worth having, as it saves wasting energy heating up a large oven all the time. The energy bills in the UK have just gone up, again!
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@pbbbsra (1214)
• Philippines
25 Aug 11
We dod have a microwave at home, but we rarely use it too. I don't like heating up food that much on it because it becomes moist. I'd rather heat up something by stove again. I don't think that it is necessary for a home to have a microwave. The stove and the oven are more important and I think if we don't have a microwave at home we can still survive. Regarding your friend who needs to warm the milk. She can just put hot water on a bowl and leave the milk bottle there for 5 minutes or so and the milk is ready, a microwave is not really a reason to panic... You can offer her a bowl of hot water next time, that is safer than using a microwave.
@RawBill1 (8531)
• Gold Coast, Australia
25 Aug 11
The bowl of water is a much better option, but even better in my opinion is to not give the child milk in the first place....but that is for another discussion! If you rarely use your microwave, then maybe you should get rid of it and free up some space for a healthier appliance maybe?
@deebomb (15304)
• United States
27 Aug 11
Hello RawBill.I have a microwave oven but don't use it much. I only use it to reheat coffee once in a while. It hangs over the stove so it's not in the way. I don't care for the flavor of a lot of food reheated or cooked in it. To me any food cooked or heated in microwaves cool faster and if its any kind of bread it gets tough as it cools. I much prefer food cooked and heated on top the stove..
@deebomb (15304)
• United States
27 Aug 11
No it's usually when the pot is shut off and coffee is left over. I usually have only two cups in the AM and maybe once in a while in the evening
@RawBill1 (8531)
• Gold Coast, Australia
30 Aug 11
That was about all I ever drank at the most as a coffee drinker. I can tell you though that I feel better without it now!
@RawBill1 (8531)
• Gold Coast, Australia
27 Aug 11
You are another one who heats their coffee in a microwave! I never did this when I was a coffee drinker and a microwave owner! Perhaps it is a new habit? Do you only use it to reheat a coffee that you have accidentally let go cold, or do you heat it initially too?
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@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
1 Sep 11
I don't use my microwave for everything but I use it a fair bit. Mainly for defrosting I guess, it's a gem for that if I don't know what to have for dinner or if I change my mind or if I forget to take something out early enough. I also use it to cook veggies and rice perfectly. Drying herbs to store is great too. Of course, reheating is wonderful too, especially for that cuppa you forgot to drink when you got sidetracked.
@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
1 Sep 11
Mostly I drink mine cold as well but there are times when I really want a hot one. Yep, I remember doing that particular "herb" too. It didn't work terribly well in the microwave. It works better just to spread the stuff to dry in a sun-shiny room...so I've been told.
@RawBill1 (8531)
• Gold Coast, Australia
1 Sep 11
I just add more hot water to my tea if it gets cold or I drink it cold. I use a dehydrator for drying herbs, but I do remember people drying some of that illegal herb in a microwave many moons ago in my previous life and it worked well!
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@RawBill1 (8531)
• Gold Coast, Australia
6 Sep 11
So you've been told! I can imagine that that method would be better than the microwave!
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• Australia
29 Aug 11
That's funny! I have a microwave but I don't rely on it for everything - I really only re-heat things in it...other than that, I use my stove...I could quite happily live without a microwave even though it is quicker to reheat things using the microwave than a stove.
• Australia
31 Aug 11
I can totally understand that! To tell you the honest truth, I hardly use my microwave these days.
@RawBill1 (8531)
• Gold Coast, Australia
1 Sep 11
I am coming up for the Caloundra music Festival again this year. Can you please organise some better weather this year for me? Thanks!
@RawBill1 (8531)
• Gold Coast, Australia
29 Aug 11
It is funny! But also worrying when we think about how society depends on certain things these days. I initially wondered about going back to stove top reheating and how we were going to handle it, but it was not hard and now I would not even think of using a microwave even if I had access to one. It just would not occur to me as it is not habit.
@cream97 (29087)
• United States
12 Sep 11
Hi, RawBill1. Yes, we own a microwave oven that we have had for at least 10 months now. We don't rely just on our microwave oven to cook on. We have a stove. Last month in August, just for three weeks, we relied on our microwave oven because our stove went out. Well at least the front burner did. To my understanding, I don't think that it is safe to warm a baby's bottle in the microwave oven. I heard that it is best that a bottle warmer is used. Or hot water can be placed inside of a bowl with the bottle sitting inside of it. I heated water on the stove, with the bottle heating up this way too. It is safe. It was no need for her, your friend, to panic, because heating the baby's bottle up in the microwave is not the safe thing to do anyway.
@RawBill1 (8531)
• Gold Coast, Australia
13 Sep 11
You are right there, heating milk for babies in a microwave is not good. I am thinking that it would heat unevenly causing lots of hot spots in the milk and causing any nutrition that might exist in the milk to be destroyed. I do not even agree with feeding babies cows milk in the first place. We are not cows, so why should we give our youth the milk of another mammal?
@TrvlArrngr (4045)
• United States
8 Sep 11
I have forgotten the days before the microwave. It would be most difficult to live without it now.
@RawBill1 (8531)
• Gold Coast, Australia
8 Sep 11
It is actually not that difficult at all! Quite easy really!
@stk40m (1119)
• Koeln, Germany
28 Aug 11
there are contradicting articles about the preparation of food in microwave ovens. One article: http://www.3sat.de/page/?source=/nano/diverses/106117/index.html states for example: ''In serious technical literature there are no adverse health effects described of microwaves and the food which is prepared in them'' according to Prof. Baerbel Gonnermann, faculty of ecotrophology of the univerity Niederrhein. there are also some positive sides of microwaves mentioned in the Wiki article, see paragraph 'Effects on food and nutrients' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave_oven personally I use it a lot because it saves time and energy although I'm leaning more towards raw food now also :-) High voltage is a fascinating thing and microwaves have an huge range of applications (mobile phones, radio waves, radar, astronomy etc). What I'm worried about though is the use of mobile phones as it appears only logical to me that if you heat your ear/ parts of the brain with microwaves that this could cause damage. There are many reports about the extensive use of mobile phones which is said to increase risk of brain tumors. Microwaves heat water molecules by causing them to oscillate. As long as that happens inside the oven I don't really see a danger. I think the main problem with microwaves is that you may heat food for too long causing damage to it by doing so. But there's a similar problem with baking: if you bake/ heat for too long acrylamide may form, a carcingen. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acrylamide
@RawBill1 (8531)
• Gold Coast, Australia
30 Aug 11
Thanks for the links. The first one was in German though and I could not understand anything! I found it interesting that microwaves are only 64% efficient as mentioned in the Wiki article. "A microwave oven converts only part of its electrical input into microwave energy. A typical consumer microwave oven consumes 1100 W of electricity in producing 700 W of microwave power, an efficiency of 64%. The other 400 W are dissipated as heat, mostly in the magnetron tube. Additional power is used to operate the lamps, AC power transformer, magnetron cooling fan, food turntable motor and the control circuits. Such wasted heat, along with heat from the product being microwaved, is exhausted as warm air through cooling vents." The Acrylamide article was interesting. I had never heard of that before but it does not surprise me mostly. What does surprise me in that was that raw black olives contain Acrylamide in a small amount. Interesting! I am concerned with any type of mobile device and the radiation that it exposes us to. This is why I do not use a microwave and do not use laptops unless they have external mouse and keyboard. I do have wireless internet which I am not terribly happy about, but it is the only choice I have for a reasonable internet connection. I also have a mobile phone, but I have a radiation reducing headset for that the same as this one. http://raw-pleasure.com.au/Lifestyle/ENVi-Radiation-Reducing-Mobile-Phone-Headset-Mono-Earhook Wherever there is conflicting reports on anything, these days I prefer to err on the side of caution instead of being carefree about it.
@RawBill1 (8531)
• Gold Coast, Australia
31 Aug 11
That is alright about the German link. I forgive you. You are right. There is energy loss in all types of heating as well as electricity and any other type of mainstream energy. Veganbliss is a god one to talk to on this matter! That is an interesting article on the effects microwaving had on the levels in potato chips. Still better to boil the potatoes and eat them that way though I feel rather than frying them. But if people want to eat potato chips badly enough then that might be a good option for them. I do hope that you will not have any issues in the future too. Myself, I think that they are not worth the risk. I can prepare meals just as well for myself alone without one, but I do understand the convenience of having one as I used to use one. When we first had the idea to get rid of ours, I wondered how I would get on without it, but it was really quit easy. You should have seen the look on our neighbours face when I knocked on his door with a microwave and said here you go, it is yours! He could not understand why we wanted to live without one!