Stabbed in My Back

@cynthiann (18602)
Jamaica
March 18, 2013 5:05pm CST
I am really undersided what to do or of there is anything that I can do. From sometime last October, after returning from U.K. I have been fund raising for a GF who has cancer. She was reasonably wealthy but foolishly invested in a ponzi scheme that went pear shaped. Many of you gave suggestions and my Church did fund raising but every week since then I have done my own little fund raising. I should add she has stage 4 cancer with secondaries. She has had 3 lots of chemo and next is radiation. I bake and sell every Sunday after Church and another Church member was assisting me by selling sodas and hot dogs. We made on average anything between US$40 - US$60 dollars a week. We gave her one lump sum and from Christmas have been saving the money to meet some medical expenses that she will have around Easter. At least whatever we give will help her in some way as she has no health insurance. What I do is the best I can. My energy levvel is not high and it is an effort to bake every weekend - bread puddings laced with fruit and a dash or rum, cornmeal puddings, light cakes and cup cakes etc. At my own expense. Also weekends are busy as guests come into and leave the Villa, so it is tiring. The person who sells the hot dogs keeps the money and the profit is supposed to be written down each week but she often forgets to bring the book. Stupid, old, guillable me trusted her. I stopped at her shop this morning and asked what the profit was as we need to give the money to the friend who is sick. She talked a lot. I heard about her buying medicines for other Church members and she has to take money to buy the hot dogs (one pack? You drive an SUV and cannot donate a pack of sausages?) The bottom line is that as far as I can work out we are at least USĀ£250 short. I feel sick to my stomach. I don't know what to do as I have no proof as such. What would yhou do? I fel to tell her that I need a break and won't be baking until after Easter and then wehen I do resume I will take control of the money. How could she do this to a lady who really is in need of a miracle to live?
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@celticeagle (159452)
• Boise, Idaho
18 Mar 13
Not much you can do. Sounds like this lady is a sort of loo-loo. I would just figure it is a lost cause and not use her anymore. Your bakings sound delicious. I would certainly buy some. I think you are a saint for doing what you are doing. Maybe the amount will just have to be a bit late. I think you are doing the best you can do.
@Hatley (163781)
• Garden Grove, California
18 Mar 13
hi celticeagle and cynthiann I think the problem is that we are good people and we expect others to be good too so its really a blow when someone is untrustworthy.,Specially when its a Church member.After all Church teaches us to be good honest people.This makes it even more upsetting to find someone is not honest.
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@celticeagle (159452)
• Boise, Idaho
18 Mar 13
Cynthiann, I think that this woman, from what you have said, was over whelms and not very organized. I hope she wasn't being devious. I agree with you, Hatley. Because we look at things a certain a way we expect others to be good too. I think this lady was just too scattered and not being very responsible and just trying to get out of it.
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@cynthiann (18602)
• Jamaica
18 Mar 13
I'm beginning to think it may just be a lost cause and I am mentally kicking myself over it. I just never thought that this could ever happen
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@sid556 (30960)
• United States
18 Mar 13
People that steal are not always in need of what they steal. In fact quite often they are not. I would just tell her that there is some discrepancy in the cash flow and you need to investigate further as you are not sure what the problem is.Guaranteed this will a reaction out of her. Above all, do not let her spend another day handling the cash.
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@sid556 (30960)
• United States
19 Mar 13
We did this to a girl at work that we KNEW was stealing. We couldn't prove it. We had cameras but they were not working...she did not know that. My boss suddenly started coming in and taking the tapes, saying she was going to review them. Then she took the register tapes and adjusted the cameras. It was funny almost. This woman first started asking us all sorts of questions as to what was going on. We all just played dumb. it did not take her long to quit. Her guilt was so so obvious. It saved my boss of trying to fire her with nothing to back up the reason. If your "friend" is guilty, I don't imagine she will stick around long.
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@cynthiann (18602)
• Jamaica
18 Mar 13
I wish that I could give you a hug to thank you as you have come up with an excellent suggestion. I am going to use this and see what her rection will be this coming Sunday. I will phone her tonight and ask to bring all monies to Church as our friend is in need of it now. I will take it over - the cash that it from this weekend. If she decides to stop selling the hot dogs then so be it.
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@cynthiann (18602)
• Jamaica
19 Mar 13
That situation was brilliantly managed by your boss. Thinking about it all - she may just ask me to get someone else to help. And I will, but I will be looking after the money
@carmelanirel (20942)
• United States
18 Mar 13
Oh Cynthiann, that totally stinks and this is a lady at your church? Have you considered talking to the other ladies or someone else who is in charge? This is so not right and if you can't do anything then I suggest that someone who is more trustworthy be in charge of the money. As for no proof, do you mean no proof that she had taken this money or proof that you are short? If you can't prove you are short on cash, then I am afraid you may have to let it go and move on to not participating until another is put in charge of the money.
• United States
18 Mar 13
How about put you in charge of bringing the book? I mean you are there anyways and so it doesn't mean extra work for you other than bringing the book with you every time. Besides, putting more than one person in charge can eliminate problems, that is unless the one who was suppose to bring the book forgets. Then again, I don't how this book is organized, but even if the book isn't there, can't you just write down what was made on a piece of paper?
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@cynthiann (18602)
• Jamaica
18 Mar 13
I want to slap myself silly as of course, I could have written it down but I didn't as I trusted her. It never occured ot me that money wojuld be missing
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@cynthiann (18602)
• Jamaica
18 Mar 13
There is no proof. At first, we would count the money after each sale and record it but then she started not bringing the book etc. I just trusted her. I am going to have to let this go, I think
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@dawnald (85135)
• Shingle Springs, California
18 Mar 13
I remember a discussion in college about the nature of people. I recall that the professor was of the belief that people are inherently selfish, have to be taught to be good (and often aren't anyway). Stories like this make me wonder if she wasn't at least partly right.... (grrrr)
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@cynthiann (18602)
• Jamaica
18 Mar 13
I would agree that children have to be socialised to become - I cannot think of a word - to develop a good moral code or ethics. Sorry about spelling undecided wrongly. When I am upset everything becomes worse for me. Basically, everyone is selfish. How could she do this to a very ill member of our church community
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@Hatley (163781)
• Garden Grove, California
18 Mar 13
hi cynthiann I think we all sometimes placed too much credence on the goodness of all members of the church as the rest of you have stated most people are inherently selfish.So some members will be that way in spite of all the teachings that should make them otherwise. I did not want to believe this but it seems it could be true.but I do not agree with 80 percent Mike but then thats just my opinion.I have known people who really are unselfish..
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@cynthiann (18602)
• Jamaica
18 Mar 13
There is a good arguement that the Church is there for us - the sinners - not for the good people We do assume that epople are suposed to be good if they go to Church and this is a fallacy regrettably
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• Valdosta, Georgia
18 Mar 13
If she did use the money for other things that is so wrong and horrible. I really hope she did not spend that money. You have been working very hard to help the woman with cancer. If you find out she did that I would find someone else to help instead of her, she apparently cannot be trusted.
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@cynthiann (18602)
• Jamaica
18 Mar 13
She does not need money as she owns two shops and lives very comfortably and drives a SUV. I am so appalled by it all. No, I cannot trust her with money again.
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@Hatley (163781)
• Garden Grove, California
19 Mar 13
hi9 cynthiann yes this is appalling to know she has money so why steal the fundss needed to make up the donation: thats so wrong and now can she justify doing that? That has to be a lot of plain gall on her part. grrrrrrrrrrrr.
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@cynthiann (18602)
• Jamaica
19 Mar 13
She has money Hatley - a thousand times more than I have.
• Canada
18 Mar 13
Oh Cynthiann I feel so bad for you, please try not to feel bad because you trusted this so called friend, believe me God knows what she did and God knows that you were trying to do a good thing. I hope this all works out for you but please don't go making yourself sick over this, sometimes we trust the wrong people after all you are only human be kind to yourself. Take care Cynthiann, Oh yes perhaps you should talk to your priest about this it may take this large burden off your shoulders.
@cynthiann (18602)
• Jamaica
19 Mar 13
I am goingto talk to him asap. and he may have some suggestions as to what to do or to help me emotionally as there is no proof but I know my gut feeling is true
@cynthiann (18602)
• Jamaica
19 Mar 13
Someone else said to speak to the Priest - just to share the experience and to listen to him. I should not be so upset or surprised, after all, look what people did to Jesus?
• Canada
19 Mar 13
Oh Cynthiann You sort of remind me of myself in ways, I always think what would Jesus do in this situation? Especially when people hurt us I suppose this is where we get our strength and courage from knowing how people did treat Jesus. Like I said Cynthiann God knows what you did and he knows what the other lady did. I would suggest maybe talking to the priest will bring this act to light. Good luck.
@KrauseHome (36448)
• United States
19 Mar 13
Unfortunately, even with people who claim to be Christian there will be people out there like this. I can't believe someone you trusted like this would do this, but then you really do never know. I would wonder how they can live with themselves and never stop to think about whatif it was them. But in reality if they never stop and think and take time to repent it could come back to bite them and where eill they be then.
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@cynthiann (18602)
• Jamaica
19 Mar 13
This is exactly why I am so devastated. Several times a week my GF will call as she has nothing to eat and I rush and get her something. I am in further crdit card debt as I cannot see her hungry. Even her clothes are being sold. Somehow we expect our Church memebers to be trustworthy but I should know better that sin is rampant in the world and this includes my own church
@GardenGerty (157652)
• United States
19 Mar 13
Oh, that is so sad and underhanded. I know you have been donating out of the goodness of your heart and I would have thought that others would as well. If she is indeed helping others then I would say that is just because she wants the praise of others and wants a lot of people to be indebted to her.
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@GardenGerty (157652)
• United States
19 Mar 13
If she earns the praise of others, she has the reward she is seeking. If your friend has a bit of peace of mind and relief, that is your reward. Now you know, of course that you have to manage the money.
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@cynthiann (18602)
• Jamaica
19 Mar 13
Yes, I will have to manage the money. I just have to take charge
@cynthiann (18602)
• Jamaica
19 Mar 13
You are so wise GG. You often help me to look at others in a different way or a different point of view. I thank you for this and will think about it as you well could be right. She does like the praise of others. I weill ask her if she can remember who she helped. We are a small Church - only 70 - members so she should know or name at least one person she has helped
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@Hatley (163781)
• Garden Grove, California
18 Mar 13
hi cynthiann that woman is really hurting the lady you all are donating money to help her. what is she thinking that she will just use the profits for herself?? no way she should be honest and turn over the profits and not hedge on them. Watch her and maybe talk to her if you think it would help but others need to be made aware she is not doing right with her hot dog selling. Sometimes the scorn of others can make a wrong doer straighten up a md fly right. I really would question her as to the two hundred fifty shortage..She needs to come up with the difference.
@Hatley (163781)
• Garden Grove, California
18 Mar 13
hi cynthiann I have always been that way too as I grew up with a dad who was sure everyone was crooked and out to get him and I decided I did not want to believe that all people are bad.The sad thing is when you do trust inherently sometimes you come a cropper an trust someone who is not trustworthy but I would rather that than think nobody is trustworthy.
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@cynthiann (18602)
• Jamaica
18 Mar 13
This is just a rough guess on my part Hatley but I knew how many pieces of pudding etc were sold. In fact, everything was sold every week. No leftovers. I am very upset. I have always trusted people in life and come a cropper for it
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@cynthiann (18602)
• Jamaica
18 Mar 13
Yes, you are right Hatley. I just feel upset about this and will regroup and come again by tomorrow. I too, would prefer to trust than don't trust anyone
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@artemeis (4194)
• China
19 Mar 13
"Don't Judge A Book By Its Cover" In our office, we have an auditor who is under contract and though does not station in the office has a full time assistant posted in our accounts department to oversee matters. After some time everyone could see that she is a rather organized and neat worker who is really a great person at the office. On top of that, pretty, very pleasant, soft spoken and easy to get along. She's like everything you would like to find in a lady and wife. In case there are some single bachelors reading - let me add that she's already married with 2 children. As all of us got along pretty well in the office, it is natural that we include her in when we have our after office hour drinks or meals together (strictly girls). On one occasion, she had too much for herself and to cut the story short, I had the task of sending her home (I am a part-time keeper). Together with my husband, we took her in our car and carried her to her house. Upon entering her house everything seems to be quite alright in the living room but because she had puke on her apparels and she was in no condition to change I decided that she be carried into her bedroom. Also, I understand that her husband is away on business and children are in boarding school - so I thought it would be better that I get her changed before I leave. It was really a sight in the bedroom when we reached her master bedroom because everything is everywhere. It is not something I would relate to what I see at work where everything is so well organized and kept nicely. But, surprisingly it does not carry to her home where I could even overhear how her husband is calling her on the phone asking where she had placed the bills for the house. In short, you should not take for granted that this lady would be organized and careful with money especially when it is in her hands. Earning money and managing it are 2 different schools. It is not just a left and right hand issue but 2 separate left and right hand - I think your people have said something about the left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing. I feel that she is just a little behind with her bookkeeping entries and you really cannot blame her. Perhaps, you can suggest that she keep tabs of the expenses by making a note in her mobile phone using the notes function (feature phone) or applications (smart phone) or take a photo of the item or person the money is given to - where she can recall by simply reviewing the notes or photos for the day. Since you have a BB, I am sure you can do more since there are so many management features inside or if you are lazy then take a picture - picture speaks a thousand words. Hope this tip will be of help.
@artemeis (4194)
• China
19 Mar 13
After much reading, I think it would be better to let your church admin into this private fund raising which though is private is still indirectly under the church judiciary. Is judiciary the right word? Anyway, I felt that the church admin would be experienced and more qualified to handle the monies than even yourself. I am not saying that you are not qualified but other people will always have a knack of finding things to say when things are not happening their way. In this way, there's something authoritative to oversee the people and funds involved. All the rest will just need to turn in the funds raised and claim for any necessary procurements.
@cynthiann (18602)
• Jamaica
19 Mar 13
As usual, your response and clarity of thought is amazing and this well may be the answer. I may be able to see my Priest today and discuss it with him. Many thanks
@cynthiann (18602)
• Jamaica
19 Mar 13
Wow. What a story and you are right as we never really know with people. But this is such a small operation. I mean to buy a dozen hot dogs and rolls? I do ask for donations for napkins, foil paper, plates and forks and a few people do help. We are a small church and know each other. I find it strange that she cannot remember which members she gave money too. Tell me the name of just one person- she could not tell me a name. Actually, I use my camera a lot to help me in every day work especially in my part time job. A picture really does speak a thousand words. I do thank you for your suggestions.
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@katsmeow1213 (28717)
• United States
19 Mar 13
That is sad and infuriating. She's taking advantage of you and of your sick friend. I would certainly not be trusting her anymore. You handle all the money yourself.. perhaps find a different business partner who will be more honest and caring. Seems you just can't trust anyone these days! GRR.
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@cynthiann (18602)
• Jamaica
19 Mar 13
I want to slap myself silly for being so trusting and stupid. Never ever crossed my mind that she would use the money. My GF really needs so much help and this is like kicking a sick person when they are down and out
@bunnybon7 (50973)
• Holiday, Florida
19 Mar 13
sounds like you already have a plan and thats the right idea. i would do exactly like you said you should. looks like you know how to handle it
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@cynthiann (18602)
• Jamaica
19 Mar 13
Many thanks. I just have to handle it
@marguicha (215788)
• Chile
19 Mar 13
I am very sorry that that person was not trustworthy. But what is worse ids that she stole (there`s no other word for it) the money that a person with cancer needed. The best you can do is to move on if she won`t actknowledge the money she owes and get someone else to help.
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@cynthiann (18602)
• Jamaica
19 Mar 13
It s just so upsetting to find this out. Our church sister really needs the money - she has nothing except the house she lives in and works a few mornings part time to earn money for food. Everything she has is being sold to help with medical expenses.
@TLilly12 (1229)
• United States
18 Mar 13
This woman you trust to keep the money, is pure evil she knew what, she was doing she might have spent the money, on herself you never know people, do this like this, the next time you raise money, for this sick friend you keep the money, your self to send to your friend who is sick, don't trust any one to hold, the money for you that way you know, how much money you have raised.
@cynthiann (18602)
• Jamaica
18 Mar 13
his lady does not want for money. She has two shops and lives very well. This is why I asked her to assist me in the fund raising. I trusted her
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@Thoroughrob (11742)
• United States
19 Mar 13
I would just tell her that she no longer needs to do it, and that you are taking care of the money. I would take that break, as you need one too. You never know what gets into people.
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@cynthiann (18602)
• Jamaica
19 Mar 13
You don't do you. You think that you know someone then find out that you do not really know them at all. I will take care of the money from now on though
@pergammano (7682)
• Canada
19 Mar 13
This is terrible...a lady with NO conscious, altho pretending to be Mother Theresa.... Yes, I understand "she" is from the Church, but that doesn't mean she is cloaked in goodness...seems to me, might be the devil in disquise. My first clue would be that she assumed the right to distribute hard earned monies without consultation with you, as you are one of the foremost contributors! I thinK I would politely tell her, after evaluating your costs and efforts, as you have a record of how much you SHOULD HAVE contributed...you are re-designing your efforts and will be in control of your contributions, she can control her own. But one thing really irks me, is this for her glory, under the guise of your good heart, in wishing to help a special friend...Scary, and not a player I would want to continue to have on my team!
• Canada
19 Mar 13
GRR! You could say; (just a suggestion) "that with your time, effort and calculations, you would like to raise more money..and only designate it to the friend, whom it was originally destined for!" Thanking her for her time and effort, but you will be taking a hiatus, and you will contact her if future input is needed! And we know, she won't be contacted again! I wish you luck with this...I know diplomacy is needed!
@cynthiann (18602)
• Jamaica
19 Mar 13
I haven't done it yet. Just plucking up courage and thinking of what to say. Thank you - I will use your words
@cynthiann (18602)
• Jamaica
19 Mar 13
She is into showing affluence - different clothes to Church each week - always dressed to the nines - as my mother would say. So appearances do matter. Whereas I just dress in something that is clean and pressed But you are right - she cannot control the money anymore. I am going to phone her today and tell her that I am stopping until after Easter as I want to see how I can increase the profits as I thought that ---- I don't know yet. Haven't planned what to say
@jillhill (37354)
• United States
20 Mar 13
What a bummer. I don't understand people at all...they can put the screws to you without even flinching. I know how tiring it must be....others might be able to help though if you asked them right? I wish for you that you find an good solution to the problem.
@cynthiann (18602)
• Jamaica
20 Mar 13
Thanks Jill. I spoke to her today and told her that I was stopping all fund raising efforts until after Easter
• United States
19 Mar 13
She sounds like a woman who cares about appearances... about looking good to others. It would be unfortunate if word got around about what a despicable little thief she really is... Find a way to use her weaknesses against her. It is unlikely that she would want for everyone within your little community to know that she is a fraud.
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@cynthiann (18602)
• Jamaica
19 Mar 13
Thank you but I don't think that exposing her as to what she is - i something that I can do. But i will find a way to let her know that I know what has gone on. I could not expose someone publicly
@dorannmwin (36392)
• United States
20 Mar 13
I really don't know what you should do in this situation. I think that when you are doing a fundraiser like this that everything should be kept on paper. However, I also understand that you really can't do that when you are not making all of the purchases yourself. If you need a break, then go ahead and take a break. However, when it comes to the woman that is lying to you, I would say that the best thing that you can do is to just forget about her and give your other friend everything that you've been able to save for her.
@cynthiann (18602)
• Jamaica
20 Mar 13
I called her today and asked her to hand over thre money as I was stopping all fund raising activities until after Easter. I feel so bad about this - really bad
@bounce58 (17387)
• Canada
2 Apr 13
I read your discussion with Mike about going to the priest instead, I hope you've resolved this issue with them already. The assistant parish priest we used to have here (he's now heading his own parish some place else) was great at resolving these kinds of issues. He had a way with words!