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myLot reputation of 97/100. dragon54u (15689)   ranked 28 out of 3,986 in politics 2 years ago

First of all, I am NOT an advocate of violent revolution. That usually turns into totalitarianism, Marxism or worse.

But the media is missing the opportunity to highlight how frustrated we "normal" citizens are with how we are represented in our government. For almost a century, we have elected people that have promised us what we wanted but never delivered. In that time we have illustrated the definition of insanity, as Mr. Stack described in his suicide note--doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result is insanity.

Now we are finally awakened and some of us realize that our government has been working for their own ends, not the nation's. What does that get us? NOTHING!!! Our representatives are still working only for their interests or Special Interest Lobbyists. It's time for a beat down!! Vote out the incumbents in 2010!!!

I think Mr. Stack made some poor decisons and had some bad luck but that shouldn't ruin his life in this greatest nation on earth. Our tax codes are so oppressive and we should have a voice!!!! angry

The media will probably turn this into an anti-Tea Party/Independent Party thing. But think..how long has it been since your representative actually reflected your opinion?! Time to peacefully and forcefully REBEL!!

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1. myLot reputation of 67/100. anniepa (11669)   ranked 329 out of 3,986 in politics   2 years ago

I'm not sure what you're saying the media is missing. Should Stack be glorified as some kind of "everyman" for bringing attention to how "normal" citizens feel? I'm sorry but I don't consider him to be "normal" at all! Our government certainly has lots of faults but nobody from the government caused this man's death or his insane actions today!

He set fire to his house with his wife and daughter inside! He injured 13 people and apparently killed someone other than himself according to the latest report I heard. The nearly 200 IRS workers who worked in that building didn't write the tax laws, they were only there doing their jobs.

I don't think the media should turn this into an "anti-Tea Party/Independent Party thing" at all but if they embrace this idiot as some kind of hero perhaps they should!

Annie


myLot reputation of 97/100. dragon54u (15689)   ranked 28 out of 3,986 in politics  2 years ago

No, he's not "everyman", he was a crazy man. He behaved horribly and tried to kill people just because he made some poor decisions in his own life. He blamed others for his misfortunes and bad judgments.

I'm saying that the media could use this to call attention to the fact that we are no longer represented in our government and are little better than the horses that used to pull plows--only those horses were treated better than many of us are. Like them, we have no voice and some of us go crazy and kill people. The government needs to wake up and read the Constitution and start working as employees--which is what they are supposed to be.

I hear you about the IRS. They are not responsible for our tax messes, the government is the one that makes the rules. Those poor people just carry out those rules and enforce them.

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2. myLot reputation of 22/100. kennyrose (5047)   2 years ago

Violence is never the answer to the problem,this man took at least two innocent life's and three others are very badly burnt because he had a problem.
The man set fire to the home he lived in many Americans would kill to have a home such as he set fire to,he had a private air plane in which he used as his choice of weapon to murder innocent people.
This guy was better off them many millions of Americans that live in what ever they can afford and live hand to mouth,month to month.
With out question the man was mentally ill,he very likely is just the tip of the ice burg compared to what is coming.
Yesterday a father or so called father throw his 3 month old child in to a river from a bride,I think it happen in New Jersey.
Marilyn two father's murdered their wife and children then killed them self both leaving note they was no longer able to make ends meet,all of this is just since Obama has taken office.
Many Americans are feeling fearful,helpless and hopeless looking to man for the answers putting their trust in man
and give up when they see they was tricked yet again.
Many of these people do not believe in God and when their luck runs out they do these horrible things feeling trapped and see they are loosing all they had worked for in their life's.
No one can blame this government it is what it is,most American knows are government is corrupted and greedy,it has been working in this direction for a very long time.
What this guy did to day left behind a whole lot of hurting people,he was a very disturbed and with out question he was insane.
He hurt every day hard working people who are up every day making a living to support their family and pay their bills,this man hurt innocent people because he had a beef with the IRS and this greedy government,he put the American people at even more risk of losing our freedom because he had a beef with this government.


myLot reputation of 97/100. dragon54u (15689)   ranked 28 out of 3,986 in politics  2 years ago

What you say is true. He certainly was crazy. But I guess, thinking about it now, that the media won't use this crime to bring attention to a corrupt government because the government pretty much owns them.

I did not hear about the two murders in the Austin building but I prayed for those who were injured.

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3. myLot reputation of 97/100. lelin1123 (9052)   ranked 212 out of 3,986 in politics   2 years ago

I totally understand what Mr. Stack said in the suicide note because we don't really have any type of freedom at all. We are used and abused as far as government is concerned. They care only about themselves and could care less about we the people. However, what he did was totally horrible and acceptable. If you are that angry at what is happening in the world speak up and be heard. Don't go out killing others and yourself. Instead of going out like this he should have taking it to the press. Explaining his complaint to the Government and how he wanted change like so many of us also want. However, thankfully the majority of us wouldn't think of going out like this.


myLot reputation of 97/100. dragon54u (15689)   ranked 28 out of 3,986 in politics  2 years ago

Reading his writing that he left behind, he apparently tried to get the attention of his state representatives but could get no results. They are supposed to be our employees and we are the boss but it's now the other way around. I understand why he was so angry.

But yes, it is unacceptable and the thought that someone would do such a thing is beyond my comprehension. Instead of getting some good out of it and using it as a wake up call, the media is sensationalizing it and concentrating on how crazy he was.

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4. myLot reputation of 70/100. LaDeBoheme (1003)   2 years ago

Maybe the fact that Mr. Stack made some poor decisions and had some bad luck shouldn't have ruined his life, but it damn sure didn't give him the right to ruin other people's lives either. It's one thing to tell 'Mr. Big Brother IRS man' to take his 'pound of flesh', but he donated others' flesh too, who, I seriously doubt, were as willing as Mr. Stack to give it up.

So, poor Joe, he decides to 'stop this insanity' with his action because 'violence not only is the answer, it is the only answer'. Unfortunately, he negated the whole point about tax oppression with murder.


myLot reputation of 70/100. LaDeBoheme (1003)  2 years ago

Just to clear one thing up, my reference to 'poor Joe' was purely facetious. I have no sympathy for murderers.


myLot reputation of 97/100. dragon54u (15689)   ranked 28 out of 3,986 in politics  2 years ago

He messed up his own life and wasn't willing to take the consequences. But the media could use this to pressure our representatives into doing their jobs--representing US.

He was crazy, sure enough. It's just a shame he was crazy enough to want to kill other people because of his misfortunes.

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5. myLot reputation of 97/100. p1kef1sh (7539)   ranked 25 out of 3,986 in politics   2 years ago

You've got me confused now. This guy appears to have had a grievance against the IRS and chose a lunatic way of ending his own life and potentially the innocent lives of people in the organisation that he had issues with. I don't see how this is in any way a party political thing. Taxes and death are the two certainties in our lives. That the two should come together in this way is simply the tragic result of an unsound mind. I think even the most rabidly anti-Republican will struggle to blame this on the Government.............. except that this is America and you guys seem to love conspiracy theories.


myLot reputation of 97/100. dragon54u (15689)   ranked 28 out of 3,986 in politics  2 years ago

He was nuts but he made some good points about our insane tax system. Not even accountants understand it and something should be done. I don't object to taxes, we need them to have schools, roads, libraries, etc. But much of it is wasted on stupid stuff like studying why men don't like condoms--yes, that's a real study and it's paid for with "stimulus" money by me and all my fellow Americans.

He tried to get his representatives to listen to him and they would not help him. That doesn't make what he did right or understandable, certainly. But it says that our government is way off track and people are getting desperate.

Although I don't know how desperate he could possibly be with that nice house and his own airplane.


myLot reputation of 95/100. Hatley (48794)   ranked 587 out of 3,986 in politics  2 years ago

pikey he also has me totally confused, and I do not think that as bad as our economy here is that its the Irs to blame, and I think a lot of people are always and forever blaming the government for the damned fool mistakes they make in their own lives, after all why take the blame if you can say oh our government made me to it, I was not to blame? This man almost burned his family alive, he has a home, or had rather and a private plane, oh the poor man maybe he wanted a mansion instead a nd a fleet of planes,I cannot feel sorry for a murderer and a maniac who had a lot more than I and my son have. i sure would not go trying to kill people because I did not have what I would like to have. sorry Dragon i just do not agree with you,nor do I think our Country is all so horrible with our government. we the people have also made as lot of errors ourselves.

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6. myLot reputation of 82/100. spalladino (11857)   ranked 127 out of 3,986 in politics   2 years ago

Well, dragon, it seems to me that it would be very irresponsible for any news organization to make a connection between the actions of this deranged man and the frustrations that normal folks are experiencing. I read his ramblings...he blamed everyone and everything for his problems and his failures, even the events on 9/11 because they impacted HIM and made things difficult for HIM. What ruined Stack's life wasn't the government or the tax code...what ruined Stack's life was Stack. He was an angry man with a persecution complex. I don't think it would be a good idea to encourage others to feel persecuted, too.


myLot reputation of 97/100. dragon54u (15689)   ranked 28 out of 3,986 in politics  2 years ago

It didn't seem that way last night. Today I learn he owned the airplane, a nice house and had a lot of blessings. I agree with you about him. But did you read the part where he couldn't get any response from his representatives? Our government has to started working for us, not the select few.

"I don't think it would be a good idea to encourage others to feel persecuted, too." I didn't look at it that way, thanks for the perspective.


myLot reputation of 82/100. spalladino (11857)   ranked 127 out of 3,986 in politics  2 years ago

Maybe his representatives weren't responding to him because he didn't have a legitimate gripe/problem. You have to also look at the number of people who do contact their elected reps...I'm sure there are many who do have legitimate problems and there are only so many hours in the day and so many people our elected representatives can assist.

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7. myLot reputation of 93/100. Qaeyious (2105)   ranked 9 out of 3,986 in politics   2 years ago

We have only ourselves to blame since we keep voting for Repubocrats term after term. I learned by my third presidential vote in the 80's that they are no good, and have been working and voting for third party since. The only exception was in 2004 in an attempt to prevent a certain person to remain at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, and you know how successful that was.

So I'm back to my sane mode, vainly voting for people who usually get no more than 5% of the vote because all you people think a different Repubocrat is going to do different. And it will happen after the next election as well, during the run for the 2016 office, your whining and complaining about our horrible politicians doing such a horrid job. There's only one sane way to solve the problem.

Vote them out. All Repubocrats. Now THAT would be change I can believe in.


myLot reputation of 97/100. dragon54u (15689)   ranked 28 out of 3,986 in politics  2 years ago

I certainly do plan to vote out every one that I can. You have described the problem with our government perfectly.

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8. myLot reputation of 83/100. xfahctor (7623)   ranked 42 out of 3,986 in politics   2 years ago

I don't see how they can associate this guy as a tea party member, he was an out and out anarchist, and a loon ta boot. Have you read that manifesto?? He railed everyone, communists AND capitolists. The manifesto I read was the words of a very mentaly disturbed man. It was all over the place, intelectual at some points, rambling at others, legalese babble at others, etc. It was truly bizzarre.


myLot reputation of 82/100. spalladino (11857)   ranked 127 out of 3,986 in politics  2 years ago

It was pretty clear to me from reading his manifesto that this man was a narcissist with a persecution complex who was, I agree, very mentally disturbed. Yes, the .com bubble burst...you take your lumps and move on...blaming the grounding of commercial airliners following the tragedy on 9/11 for ruining his business was ridiculous, especially considering his field, and so was his accusations of a conspiracy by certain companies in Austin who would not pay him what he felt he was worth.


myLot reputation of 97/100. dragon54u (15689)   ranked 28 out of 3,986 in politics  2 years ago

He was nuts, no doubt about it. His use of violence insured that his message about corrupt government won't be heard but I wish Washington would listen and begin to govern for the people instead of for themselves and their cronies. After all, we are supposed to be the boss and they are the employees.


myLot reputation of 83/100. xfahctor (7623)   ranked 42 out of 3,986 in politics  2 years ago

You do make some valid points dragon. After all the media railing against the patriot movement as "iciting violence", the BIGGEST iciter of violence in this country is the government. they push people and push people and eventualy, someone snaps and does what Stack did.


myLot reputation of 79/100. Rollo1 (2827)   ranked 89 out of 3,986 in politics  2 years ago

The Daily Kos immediately decided that this man's actions were directly related to the Tea Party movement. A couple of MSM outlets also alluded to the Tea Party, even though there is no evidence that this guy had anything to do with the Tea Party and according to people who knew him, was pretty apolitical as far as belonging to any party. They will try to spin this into a story about the dangers of the Tea Party.

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9. myLot reputation of 99/100. mentalward (6158)   2 years ago

As you said, dragon, "For almost a century..." How would voting the present encumbants out do any good whatsoever? The new ones will be just as bad. We need a full government reform but we all know that's not going to happen.

The Republicans love to stab the Democrats in the back. The Democrats love to stab the Republicans in the back. The Independents love to stab everyone in the back. The thing is, whether Republicans or Democrats have controlled things, the result has been, and will continue to be, the same.

I have my own beef against the government but I'm dealing with it in a totally different way. There would be no way that I would ever harm, with actions or only words, a government worker. They need their jobs as much as we need ours. (I'm referring to the lower echelon here.)

One thing I've noticed is that so many people love to blame the current government on the recession we're having. That is ludicrous. The entire world is in a recession; Obama is not to blame for that. This recession began during the last administration and was on an incredible downward spiral just as Bush stepped aside. Even with that being so, I do not blame Bush for the recession. It is a world-wide problem that we need to deal with on a global level.

I refuse to support any candidate for government office until they learn to deal with the same things we all have to deal with, such as retiring on a pension that is NOT 100% of their salary, having to use Medicare for their medical needs, no bodyguards for life, no "special" privileges simply because they used to be in the government, etc.

As a matter of fact, in the pension area, the majority of American workers need to work 20 years in order to qualify for any pention whatsoever, while these upper-eschelon government retirees only work for 4 or 8 years to qualify for a pension equal to 100% of the salary they make at the end of their tenure. This is neither a Republic or a Democratic thing, either.

Isn't it a sad state of this country when we talk about "Republic" and "Democrat" the way some talk about "Black" and "White"? Can't we all just be "Americans" and deal with this problem together instead of standing on one side or the other of that HUGE line drawn in the sand?


myLot reputation of 97/100. dragon54u (15689)   ranked 28 out of 3,986 in politics  2 years ago

Amen!

Strangely enough, you came to mind when I was reading his "manifesto". All the crap you've been through with the government trying to deny you what you have earned and deserve. Yet you dealt with it properly and didn't kill anyone.

This man's message will never be heard because of his actions. He blamed others for his poor judgment and mistakes, but we need to reform our government. He could not even get any help from his representatives, who are supposed to be working for the people but work only for themselves and their buddies.

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10. myLot reputation of 97/100. laura_lmaxi (496)   ranked 988 out of 3,986 in politics   2 years ago

I agree in some points with you, here the middle class is the one that pays for everybody, because if you think about it, people with a lot of money don't care to pay high taxes and high deductibles in medical insurance, because they anyways have a lot of money, and the people that lives from the government, of course those ones are not even going to pay taxes because we as a society make them believe that as they are poor they deserve everything. This is a horrible frustration even for me, but I do think that this guy make a really wrong decision because that federal building probably have people that like him are suffering the same. The employees are not guilty for that. It is true that politicians work for themselves and not for us. It is our responsibility as people to pick better next times.


myLot reputation of 97/100. dragon54u (15689)   ranked 28 out of 3,986 in politics  2 years ago

I don't resent people with money but I do resent that they seem to have all the power and only their voices are paid attention to.

This man did something horrible and insured that his message about the government will not be heard. I guess thinking that the media could focus on his frustration with the government was naive--the government and special interests own them.

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