Talk of a national sals tax
By lilwonders
@lilwonders456 (8214)
United States
April 8, 2010 9:42am CST
Yep..there is talk within our federal government about having a national sales tax (on top of the state sales tax you pay) put into place. It is a way of raising taxes on EVERYONE. Only you don't get to claim it on your tax returns or have ANY chance of getting it back in a refund.
So what do you think of this? Would you support federal taxes coming out of your paycheck AND then still having to pay a national sales tax on all your purchases? Tell me what you think.
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@laglen (19759)
• United States
8 Apr 10
Because that is what Americans need more of...taxes! Whew, I was worried we would be able to keep too much of our money. It is time to steal from the poor and give to the er um poor? No new taxes. If it makes you feel better maybe we could call it the value added extra charge for the greater good? nah too many words. Lets just call it corrupt!

@lilwonders456 (8214)
• United States
8 Apr 10
It is a cash grab. Hopefully it falls flat on its face. The last thing people in this country need are more money going to taxes. Most of us can't afford it.
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@Maggiepie (7816)
• United States
10 Apr 10
"Because that is what Americans need more of...taxes! Whew, I was worried we would be able to keep too much of our money." Sayth Laglen....
Dammit, LAG! Stoppit stoppit STOPPIT! I gotta PEEEEE!
Maggiepie (Doin' the peepee dance at her desk...)
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Dammit, LAG! Stoppit stoppit STOPPIT! I gotta PEEEEE!
Maggiepie (Doin' the peepee dance at her desk...)
EVERYONE! GO TRY THE NEW CATEGORY: Open Mike! ALL opinions WELCOME! @OpinionatedLady (5965)
• United States
8 Apr 10
Not both. One or the other. I am tired of paying for our politicians mistakes and after all the lies about new taxes and Helping the people I am tired of the back tracking, double talk and the sneaky new taxes that are supposed to be good for us but really are to try to save the politicians from their gross negligence in giving bail outs to anyone but those who needed it.

@Maggiepie (7816)
• United States
10 Apr 10
I recall something I said long ago about those stupid (& misused!) "bailouts." It was this: While I don't agree with bailouts at all, just think--had the government just flat placed one million tax free dollars in the hands of every legal citizen to "stimulate" the economy, it would have been light years cheaper & worked light years better!
So instead, they started tossing money left & right with no plan, & a year later, the economy is far worse, & will become even worse--& they're now wanting to do it again!
What's that definition of "insanity" again...doing the same thing over & over, getting the same bad results, yet doing it again?
I can't fathom why the people who still support President Alinsky still don't get it.
Stupidity? Insanity? Go figure!
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@lilwonders456 (8214)
• United States
8 Apr 10
I could not agree with you more. This is outragous. The average citizen can not afford to pay both.

@bobmnu (8157)
• United States
8 Apr 10
I have not heard of the National Sales tax but I have heard the Value Added Tax referred to as like a National Sales Tax. I just posted a discussion on the VAT tax and a simplified explanation on how it works. Talk about a regressive economy killing tax this is it. The best part for the government is no one know how much they are paying and you never see the tax.
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@matersfish (6306)
• United States
8 Apr 10
You know, after reading this, I got to thinking long and hard about a way we could really help out our monetary situation without further burdening the already underpaid average American citizen.
I apologize to anyone if this seems out of line. You know I'm not trying to offend. But, to me, it seems like some pretty sound settled science.
HOW ABOUT GOVERNMENT MANAGE OUR MASSIVE AMOUNT OF TAX DOLLARS BETTER TO BEGIN WITH -- SINCE THAT IS WHAT WE PAY THE TOOLS FOR! THAT WAY, THEY WON'T HAVE TO DIG INTO OUR POCKETS EVERY TIME THEY CREATE A DAMN MESS!
Politicians get on their horses about the underprivileged and the victims and the struggles and all about how we'll all have to make sacrifices to pull through this.
Show me the politician preaching this who's taken a pay cut or has sacrificed their comfortable way of life?
More taxes? The fish man is opposed, opposed, opposed.
How about we band together as citizens and write our own tax law taking about 80% of a politician's salary back and putting it toward where it most needs to go?
I bet those Nazi racist misinformed sheep would be out in the streets with signs and megaphones then! 

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@Maggiepie (7816)
• United States
10 Apr 10
I love it, "fishman!"
Where do I sign up?
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@matersfish (6306)
• United States
10 Apr 10
We'll have to sign up from jail. That's where we're all going for opposing big government I think.
Nixon had an enemies list. Obama will have an enemy nation if this stuff keeps up.
Nixon had an enemies list. Obama will have an enemy nation if this stuff keeps up. @kprofgames (3089)
• United States
9 Apr 10
The thing I don't 'get' is if a national sales tax is supposted to be collected by retailers, then how is what within his plan to not overtax the middle class??
It doesn't make sense. If anything, they should be looking how South Dakota does it because they don't even have state taxes because they can manage their money.
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@Maggiepie (7816)
• United States
10 Apr 10
Well, see, the thing is, he never meant to keep that promise. He lies. A lot...in case you haven't noticed...

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EVERYONE! GO TRY THE NEW CATEGORY: Open Mike! ALL opinions WELCOME!@xfahctor (14113)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
8 Apr 10
Indeed, you make a very valid point Metallion, quite valid. But what if there were established a system where by one could apply for a credit every year, based on one's income, such as they do in Canada for their federal and provincial sales taxes? Or something to that effect? This would turn the nature of the VAT from regressive to progressive.
@TheMetallion (1834)
• United States
8 Apr 10
I'd be even more opposed to it under those conditions. I am for progressive taxation and against regressive taxation.

@xfahctor (14113)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
8 Apr 10
ROFL! Come on...wh didn't see this comming? Although I think Volker was speaking without consult. I imagine the moment Obama first heard him utter those words...
*facepalm
followed by
*Obama bangs head repeatedly on desk, saying to himself "oh no, he did not just say that in public"....he did not just say that in public...he did not just say that in public....."
Followed by a quick and frantic phone call from Obama/whitehouse to Volker...."Ex-ne' on the AT-Ve'!"
There will be some stumbling and flustered blathering form Gibbs in a few press conferences.....Followed by pathetic attempts by some to justify the need for a VA-tax.
@xfahctor (14113)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
8 Apr 10
I should state however, I will absolutely support a VAT....if....ONLY IF...it also involves a constitutional amendment repealing the 16th amendment and dismantling of the IRS. Until that time, there is no way I will ever support a value added tax.
@lilwonders456 (8214)
• United States
8 Apr 10
If they were willing to get rid of the IRS and the taxes coming out of our checks I would probly support it. But they are talking about tacking this on top of what we are already paying. Which is stupid. It is a money grab. Plain and simple. Our government has decided to raise taxes instead of cutting spending.
@SomeCowgirl (32189)
• United States
8 Apr 10
I would only support it if they would either get rid of the federal sales tax coming out of our paycheck or limit the amount that does.
Ugh.. greedy government, all they want is money!
@lilwonders456 (8214)
• United States
8 Apr 10
No they will not stop taking taxes out of your pay check...they want this ON TOP of the money you already give them.
@lilwonders456 (8214)
• United States
8 Apr 10
Spalladino- I don't think so. From what I am hearing....there is talk of having a national sales tax. Right now we only pay state sales tax when we buy things....but they want to add a "national" or federal sales tax on top of it.
So we would be paying our income tax out of our checks...plus sales tax (both state and fed) when we bought things.
Not nice.
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@Maggiepie (7816)
• United States
10 Apr 10
Such a tax would be fine with me...provided...
They stop all other taxes, &
Keep it to a short ceiling (10 or 12 percent TOPS)...
Aaaaand...
STOP THE ALL FRIKKEN-FRAKKEN PORK SPENDING!!!
Then it'd be just great!
Maggiepie
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Then it'd be just great!
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EVERYONE! GO TRY THE NEW CATEGORY: Open Mike! ALL opinions WELCOME! @spalladino (17891)
• United States
8 Apr 10
Hmmm, so they're trying to use the benefits of the Fair Tax along with keeping our current income taxes? I don't like that idea at all. I have always like the Fair Tax which will generate revenue from everyone, including visitors and illegals as someone else has already posted. Doing both doesn't seem fair to me.
@bestboy19 (5478)
• United States
8 Apr 10
If the national sales tax is, "The Fair Tax," HR25, then I'm all for it. The Fair Tax eliminates all other federal taxes. That means what you earn, you take home with you. There's no longer an income tax. The Fair Tax is a consumption tax, so what you pay in taxes depends on what you buy. Everyone will be paying this tax including visitors to our country as well as illegals. I don't know all the particulars about the Fair Tax, but there is a couple of books by Neal Boortz that explain it.

@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
8 Apr 10
My only issue with the Fair Tax is that it would be regressive. The lower your income is, the higher the percentage of your income is paid in Sales tax. In order for it to be "fair" I'd say that certain essentials should be exempt from the tax like food and basic clothing (although it might be hard to separate basic clothing from designer).
@bestboy19 (5478)
• United States
8 Apr 10
I was afraid it was as you say. Well, I can't go along with that. After the government taxes us into oblivion, what will they do? Seems like they're cutting off their nose to spite their face, or maybe they're trying to rush us to a one world government.
@lilwonders456 (8214)
• United States
8 Apr 10
I know all about "fair tax"...and it is not a bad idea...but they want to add this to our taxes...not take away taxes. YOu would still be paying federal taxes out of your paycheck and then this national sales tax on top of it.

@nonersays (3344)
• United States
8 Apr 10
I think that if they keep adding more and more taxes, I'm going to have to get a second job just to be able to afford to pay these taxes!

@Maggiepie (7816)
• United States
10 Apr 10
LIL: Good luck on that. What the Dems want, the Dems get. Damn the Constitution AND the citizens...full speed ahead! We don't count. "They" know what's best for us, "the great unwashed," don't you know that? Bow before your master, the State, you ignorant serf! Respect your betters! They're only doing all this for your own good!
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EVERYONE! GO TRY THE NEW CATEGORY: Open Mike! ALL opinions WELCOME!@lilwonders456 (8214)
• United States
8 Apr 10
Yep...that is why we need to stop this one from passing.
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@epicure35 (2814)
• United States
11 Apr 10
It is pathetic that Americans just sit by and continue to watch our "government" at the Federal level continue to excrete on our Constitution. But, I guess that's what you get when you let an unconstitutional marauder usurp a position in the WH.
I think it's disgraceful, but, as you must know by now, the bums, gangsters, and thugs who patrol and surround the WH don't give a ---- what I, or most of thinking Americans "think", because they have been allowed to take unconstitutional power through the usurper. God only asks 10% of the money HE blesses us with to be allowed to be returned as first fruits, tithe, and charitable causes. Americans used to work at least 7 months before they were "tax free" re their own earnings. Now these madmen will gobble up virtually ALL of our paltry earnings, because, unlikle God, they are tyrants, and the arrogant one truly believes we are his peon servants and he is our "god" because so many stupid people have continued to let him get away with murder, both literally and figuratively.
So, they will get "what they paid for" so to speak, and now, we all will continue to pay dearly.
@hofferp (4734)
• United States
8 Apr 10
But President Obama promised no new taxes on anyone making under $250,000. Was that a lie? May I answer my own question? Yes, and he knew it when he said it. What they're talking about is a value added tax that will be about 7%, after all the steps in a process are taxed. Don't know about you, but what the heck happened to stop spending my and other people's money on b.s.! Cut spending! Stop raising taxes!
@lilwonders456 (8214)
• United States
8 Apr 10
I agree...it is complete BS. They need to CUT SPENDING..not raise taxes.
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@barehugs (8973)
• Canada
9 Apr 10
In Canada there is a 6% sales tax on most things we buy, except groceries and a few other necessities. This sales tax has paid for our Federal Health Care since 1984, and Canadians as a whole, are very happy with it, mainly because its a very fair tax. If you buy, you pay. The more you buy the more you pay, what could be more fair than that. Our Health Care includes EVERY Canadian Citizen, and if it was not popular, it would have been voted out, because there have been countless federal Elections since 1984. There is no sales tax taken from our Paychecks in Canada.
@doglady112 (604)
• Canada
9 Apr 10
We're about to pay an extra 8% on everything that we buy up here. We're already paying 15% on everything and now we have to pay more. Everyone here that I've talked to is saying they're really worried about how they're going to afford things . I'm worried about that too. With all the bad things happening to me lately I'm worried how I'm going to afford stuff too.















