Talk of a national sals tax  

No they will not stop taking taxes out of your pay check...they want this ON TOP of the money you already give them.

Aren't you guys confusing sales tax with income tax?

Spalladino- I don't think so. From what I am hearing....there is talk of having a national sales tax. Right now we only pay state sales tax when we buy things....but they want to add a "national" or federal sales tax on top of it.
So we would be paying our income tax out of our checks...plus sales tax (both state and fed) when we bought things.
Not nice.

I agree...it is complete BS. They need to CUT SPENDING..not raise taxes.

It is a cash grab. Hopefully it falls flat on its face. The last thing people in this country need are more money going to taxes. Most of us can't afford it.

we cant afford it, we dont want it, and if they would stop taxing so much, many would not need these stupid government programs!
If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it. ~Ronald Reagan

"Because that is what Americans need more of...taxes! Whew, I was worried we would be able to keep too much of our money." Sayth Laglen....

Dammit, LAG! Stoppit stoppit STOPPIT! I gotta PEEEEE!

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I pretty much agree with you on this. But, would you be willing to supprt it if it also involves a repeal of the 16th amendment and elinination of the IRS? Just curious.

I'd be even more opposed to it under those conditions. I am for progressive taxation and against regressive taxation.

Indeed, you make a very valid point Metallion, quite valid. But what if there were established a system where by one could apply for a credit every year, based on one's income, such as they do in Canada for their federal and provincial sales taxes? Or something to that effect? This would turn the nature of the VAT from regressive to progressive.

That still places a burden on the poorest citizens because there's a time window between when they spend what little money they have and they get that credit in which their purchasing power is diminished. What's more, the administration of such a credit would require the retention of a revenue service, underming whatever benefit we're supposed to derive from eliminating the IRS.

What's more, if we tax only at purchase time, we will also need a large enforcement arm to combat the immense black market that would immediately spring up to let people buy things without paying the sales tax.

I'll take that enforcement arm over the IRS acting as judge, jury, and executioner any day. With the IRS you are always guilty until proven innocent.

@Taskr36: Don't count on that enforcement arm having powers any less sweeping than the IRS does.

I agree that a sales tax is regressive but what about the 10% of people who are paying 80 - 85% of the bill now? Lets rework the income tax so that all income is counted (including government grants and handouts) and everyone pays a minimum tax. The income tax as it is now is totally unfair and punishes hard work. Lets tax everyone. Right now we have 47% of the population that pays no income tax and many of them receive a refund of more than the government withheld. It is called the earned income tax credit.

NO NEW TAXES!!! CUT THE SIZE OF GOVERNMENT

The people who are paying the highest taxes still have the most money left over afterwards. Their hard work is rewarded. If you disagree, then by all means list all the billionaires and millionaires who are walking away from it all to enjoy the gummy bears and wonder that you think comes with being so poor that you don't get taxed. Hell, put your money where your mouth is, quit your job and get below the poverty line and let us know how much better it is than working.

No? Didn't think so.

Agh...beam me up, Snotty....

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I know all about "fair tax"...and it is not a bad idea...but they want to add this to our taxes...not take away taxes. YOu would still be paying federal taxes out of your paycheck and then this national sales tax on top of it.

I was afraid it was as you say. Well, I can't go along with that. After the government taxes us into oblivion, what will they do? Seems like they're cutting off their nose to spite their face, or maybe they're trying to rush us to a one world government.

My only issue with the Fair Tax is that it would be regressive. The lower your income is, the higher the percentage of your income is paid in Sales tax. In order for it to be "fair" I'd say that certain essentials should be exempt from the tax like food and basic clothing (although it might be hard to separate basic clothing from designer).

Task, what would you say if it were made progressive, for example, there would need to be a tax credit system (reimbursment) based on one's income every year? Canada has a similar system placed on their VST and GST taxes (federal and provincial sales tax). That might turn the regressive nature of a VAT.

I'm not really familiar with Canada's system, but it sounds like it could be workable. The important thing to me is that high taxes don't prevent someone from having the necessities. If the tax credit system insures they'll have enough for those things, than yeah, I'd support it.

Taskr, why don't you read the "Fair Tax" book by Neal Boortz. I think there's something in it about essentials like food and clothing.

I should state however, I will absolutely support a VAT....if....ONLY IF...it also involves a constitutional amendment repealing the 16th amendment and dismantling of the IRS. Until that time, there is no way I will ever support a value added tax.

If they were willing to get rid of the IRS and the taxes coming out of our checks I would probly support it. But they are talking about tacking this on top of what we are already paying. Which is stupid. It is a money grab. Plain and simple. Our government has decided to raise taxes instead of cutting spending.

...."Ex-ne' on the AT-Ve'!"

Yep...that is why we need to stop this one from passing.

LIL: Good luck on that. What the Dems want, the Dems get. Damn the Constitution AND the citizens...full speed ahead! We don't count. "They" know what's best for us, "the great unwashed," don't you know that? Bow before your master, the State, you ignorant serf! Respect your betters! They're only doing all this for your own good!



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I love it, "fishman!"

Where do I sign up?

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We'll have to sign up from jail. That's where we're all going for opposing big government I think.

Nixon had an enemies list. Obama will have an enemy nation if this stuff keeps up.

I could not agree with you more. This is outragous. The average citizen can not afford to pay both.

I recall something I said long ago about those stupid (& misused!) "bailouts." It was this: While I don't agree with bailouts at all, just think--had the government just flat placed one million tax free dollars in the hands of every legal citizen to "stimulate" the economy, it would have been light years cheaper & worked light years better!

So instead, they started tossing money left & right with no plan, & a year later, the economy is far worse, & will become even worse--& they're now wanting to do it again!

What's that definition of "insanity" again...doing the same thing over & over, getting the same bad results, yet doing it again?

I can't fathom why the people who still support President Alinsky still don't get it.

Stupidity? Insanity? Go figure!

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I agree...one or the other...but NOT both.