Did you know they are using Shock Therapy to treat depression?
By JenInTN
@JenInTN (27514)
United States
January 27, 2012 3:28pm CST
I had no idea that this type of therapy was still in use. It used to be quite traumatic in the 60's and before. People would have broken bones from the seizure the electrical shock administered would produce. Some people would even end up in a state of vegetation because of the treatments. I guess that is why I am so surprised they are still using this. They do give the patient a sedative now and a muscle relaxer to decrease movements that previously caused broken bones, but the amount of electricity is still the same as they used before.
Doctors have no idea why the shock treatments relieve depression but there are some that claim it is because of the memory loss that patients experience. Granted this treatment is for those that have tried antidepressants and failed, but I'm not sure about this shock treatment thing. I have attached a very informative article about how it came back into fashion. It also discusses the pros and cons.
So did you know this practice was still in place?
Would you consider it?
What are your thoughts about it?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26044935/ns/health-mental_health/t/shock-therapy-makes-quiet-comeback/#.TyMSdlwV0T0
Not a referral link.
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21 responses
@Lore2009 (7378)
• United States
27 Jan 12
I've read about it in my psychology text book.. they never said anything about that they've stopped although, it is used a lot less. You reminded me of the movie "Eternal Sunshine of the spotless mind." I've anxiety and have had bouts of depression so i can't really answer for chronic depression suffers but I can't deny that there has been things I've learned from my mental condition so, as of now, I wouldnt' trade it in. it would be the very last action I'd consider.
@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
28 Jan 12
My Psychology instructor discussed it in my class too. Apparently her own grandmother had the procedure done but it was for schizophrenia. She said her grandmother was a walking vegetable after a few rounds. I guess after a few times of those electricity induced seizures, anyone would be. Scary. I think it would be a very very last resort for me too.
Thanks for responding.

@Porcospino (31365)
• Denmark
27 Jan 12
I don't have any personal experience with shock therapy, but I know someone who has tried it. She has mixed feelings about the experience. On one hand it helped her and on the other hand she has serious memory problems after her shock therapy. Personally I don't want to try it. I know that it might help like it did in my friend's case, but I am not willing to accept that kind of treatment. The thought of losing my memory scares me and it doesn't sound like something that I would be willing to try.
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@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
27 Jan 12
That was one of the side effects that was mentioned about all the patients that participated. There were some doctors that believed that it was precisely the reason why the treatment worked. Weird. I wouldn't want to risk the memory loss either.
Thanks for sharing. I was wondering if anyone knew someone or had experienced it themselves.
@peavey (16936)
• United States
28 Jan 12
I knew they were still doing it, but I didn't realize there were such dangers to it. I guess I thought they were "better" or "safer" somehow than a few decades ago.
It's scary, especially since they don't know how it helps. It helps 80%, but what happens to the 20%? Are they damaged? It doesn't say, that I could tell.
It seems barbaric.
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@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
29 Jan 12
Yes..it apparently makes them forget what took them into their depressive state. I'm sure there are other things that it does..the mind is a mixture of electrical and chemical reactions, those are the ones they don't understand and can't measure. The fact is though that the memory loss is cause by brain damage from the shock. I wonder if the medication that you mentioned causes brain damage to induce the memory loss too? That is a very very scary thought.

@Lakota12 (42600)
• United States
28 Jan 12
Oh heck no I wouldnt get that shock treatment I saw to many true story movies where it did more damage than good and I have been shocked on an electric fence when our goats trying to run from me got the chain wraped around my ankle and hitt hat darn fence sure didnt feel good at all lololololool
And no I didnt know they still used it.
BUt does sound like they have learned something about it so it will stop breaking bones and things but to use the same voltage just dont sound right!
Oh well to each is own
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@AmbiePam (120733)
• United States
28 Jan 12
I have heard Carrie Fisher (from Star Wars) talk about having had it. She has used it more than once, and fairly recently. She said while she had side effects that were serious, it treated her depression well. I would only use it as a very last resort. Which I'm sure is what most people think they are doing. A last resort.
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@derek_a (10873)
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28 Jan 12
Hi Jen,
Yes I knew that this therapy was still in use... I don't know how correct this is, but many years ago, I was told that it was discovered by accident when an electric probe (that they used to use to control farm animals) what administered into (I think) a pig's brain and stunned him. He went from an animal who was very aggressive into one that was very passive and easily manageable - and so it was tried on humans. With some it seemed to work, and others not.
Personally, short of being sectioned under the mental health act, I would never have this treatment as I feel it is quite barbaric - that is my personal point of view.
Professionally, I have had several clients who have had ECT coming to see me because of it. They displayed some quite alarming side-effects including obsessions. Interacting with them was almost impossible as it seemed that the symptoms they had seemed to be "locked in place" because an impaired memory wouldn't allow them to get to the source of their anxiety. Minor improvement were possible with those who were willing to take up the daily practice of meditation, but the majority of them wouldn't commit to it.
But of course these are the only people I have seen exhibiting negative results. It is claimed that there are some good results, but how would one measure a good result? Would it be because the patient would conform to the wiles of society's norms by shutting up about their misery?
Yes, I would agree that there can be chemical dissorders in the brain, but doesn't thinking alter brain chemistry anyway? Hasn't it been discovered that thinking effects emotions, that effect the nervous system that in turn effects the immune system? And who knows what other symptoms? Don't people die of broken hearts?
As a Zen practitioner, I aspire to realize (not theorize) the mind and body being as one, and ultimately at one with all there is. ECT treats the physical brain and to me, this treats fragments of a person whilst ignoring the whole. And fragmentation is reinforced.
Just my opinion. I feel that we all have our own karma and must go with what we feel it right for us.
_Derek
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@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
28 Jan 12
I can not even begin to tell how well said all of that was. I think there are areas that needed to be treated that are being ignored and that there are many pieces of us that create the whole. The memory loss is due to brain damage...pure and simple. No wonder those people you dealt with could not commit.
I also think you are right on the money about society's norms...what is normal anyway? Who the heck determines that and what give them the authority?
Thanks so much for your input!!!!
@mayka123 (17083)
• India
28 Jan 12
The shock treatment to treat mentally ill patients and those suffering from depression is being used since many years. I rememeber some 30 years ago a distant relative of mine was suffering from depression and she was made to undergo shock treament. This shock treatment only made her condition worse and now in her old age she is in a mental asylum with total loss of memory.
@Hatley (163772)
• Garden Grove, California
27 Jan 12
Hi JenInTn well I really would be hesitant to do that if I was in a bad way with depression. I remember too much of the old shock
therapy and frankly I would be really scared silly to allow someone
to screw around with my brain like that, sure it erased memories but
what other side effects might still come?So they want to erase all their memories and be like the zommbie type people that used to come'out from this shock treatment? The wife seemed almost too
la de dah about it like the treatment was just a simple little
procedure that was zapping ones very brain. I could be wrong of'
course as I am going by how I would feel. It frankly would not
be for me at all.I did not know they were still doing this.
I would not consider it. but again I h ave no depression myself
and thus am not apt to be in that situation.
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@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
28 Jan 12
I know...it doesn't seem like an even trade does it? I was surprised that they were still practicing it too. They still use the same amount of electricity as they ever did so other than being sedated during the procedure, I can't see much difference. I haven't got an issue with depression either but it seems to be a growing problem for sure. I don't think I would want to lose my memories even if they all weren't happy ones.
Thanks for responding!
@bunnybon7 (50970)
• Holiday, Florida
28 Jan 12
I have heard that. but i thought it was done with some kind of medication, so its not like the old way where they strap you down and eletrify you
maybe ive been told wrong. yes, i know what it does. my aunt forgot a lot of things when she had it done in her youth and shes been fine without any depression any more.
maybe ive been told wrong. yes, i know what it does. my aunt forgot a lot of things when she had it done in her youth and shes been fine without any depression any more.2 people like this
@Opal26 (17679)
• United States
28 Jan 12
Hi Jen~ I am sorry to say that I do know that this practice is still used.
My best gf had shock therapy sbout 10 years ago. She got very sick from the
Anesthesia and now is deathly afraid to have any other procedure that she
might need that uses it. She had already had a series of nervous breakdowns,
tried various anti-depressants and the doctors made the decision to give
her a few rounds of shock treatments. I wasn't aware of this at the time she
had them done. She has been in and out of my life for 49 years~we met when we
were 10 at daycamp. We have now been in touch for quite a few years, steadlily
since her last "episode" and she is doing great. She is still on anti-depressants,
(as am I) but, she has gotten her life together. She had gone through a terrible
divorce, lost custody of her son which led to the hospitalization and shock therapy. I think it is barbaric that is still being used, but the doctors believe
that it does more good than harm. My gf needs to have a Colonoscopy and won't go because of the Anesthesia issue. Is that going to help her if she has Colon Cancer?
I just had 2 polyops removed from my Colon that my Doctor had no idea I had since
I had a Colonoscopy 5 years ago and he felt it was too soon to check again. What
if I hadn't gone? I might have had Colon Cancer if I waited 2 more years to check.
My OBGYN found blood in my stool test. My gf has serious signs that need to be checked and won't go because of those damn shock treatments! I'm really against what the doctors are doing!
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@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
28 Jan 12
Sounds like the treatments done her a lot more harm than good. Now that she is afraid to go to a doctor period, your right, she is in danger.
I was really surprised when I found out they were still active with this procedure. I can't tell you the people it left in a horrible state. The memory loss is cause by brain damage. Brain damage. That just amazes me.
Thanks for sharing and it's great to see you. I hope you have been well.

@allknowing (153530)
• India
28 Jan 12
When someone got shock treatment that used to be talked about in whispers. Not knowing what it was all about the fact that it was talked in whispers I always thought that there was something drastic about it. Just a few years ago I had someone staying with me who had undergone this treatment and she was sent to me so that she could get a break from the environment that caused her condition. When she stayed with me I could not say that she was back to normal. I therefore felt that she needed a different kind of approach in the form of half way homes. I sent her therefore with permission from her parents. Today this person is back home and is working.
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@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
28 Jan 12
You are so right about the whispers. Anything that had to do with mental illness was certainly never ever spoken about openly. In the old days it was considered something to be ashamed of. Thank goodness that time has been kind enough to give the world a new view and people who suffer a new lease on life.
I am glad to hear that your friend is ok now. There are people with horror stories and then there are those with stories of triumph. I am glad you got her a different approach. The shock treatments can be very dangerous if they are used for any period of time.
@Janey1966 (24170)
• Carlisle, England
28 Jan 12
Oh dear, I thought things had changed since the broadcast of "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest."

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@stringer321 (5682)
• Kiryat Ata, Israel
10 Feb 12
I read some of the last two headlines and their content under:
there was a patient who suffers a long term cognitive damage and the ECT treatment didn't help her at all. Now that's really sad because she also suffers memory some loss. I guess I would never go for such a treatment just to delete my sad memories.
I hope they will really understand how the ECT treatment works so they make it more accurate and with less damage.
I saw a movie about two brothers that had problems in their life so they asked their uncle to give them money. He asked them to kill someone and they did. One of the brothers couldn't handle what they did and had a serius depression and he wanted to go to jail.
Is there any way how to avoid getting into such a depression ?
I mean , that can be the best treatment of prevention , isn't it ?
Well , I hope we all have nice life and the society will be more based on loving each other. Have a good time myloting.

@stringer321 (5682)
• Kiryat Ata, Israel
12 Feb 12
It is all about planing forward: If you start planning a program to solve something or answer some needs, you have to review the needs (a big proccess of it's own ) you make designs of the program , a general algorithm , you need them to be checked and if flaws are founf at the logics or maybe things that may be working bad , you just change the algorithm and the design. It is very cheap to fix flaws on earlier stages of developement instead of fixing the whole software that is completed but with mistakes.
That is the basic of software quality assurance : preventing problems that can come in the future and will be more expansive to fix .I learn it at the technion on a diploma studies.
@stringer321 (5682)
• Kiryat Ata, Israel
12 Feb 12
There are some kinds of people that may develope a big depression if something goes wrong for them. Perfectionists , self-willed , and people that can't just "let it go" easily...
I'm not sure if those people can change their attitude , maybe it is determined from their DNA. But many times , putting the cards on the table , bringing up things to the awareness level can help them understand their tendency to develope depression.
I know I have some tendency to develope sadness but after it goes away , I learn to think more flexible and to just expect less from life. Everything is possible and many things are not for 100% guaranteed , we just have to go with the flow. Consider many "if" and "else" in our way of thinking and behaving for the future...
("if" and "else" are words from some programming languages that can control what the program do in case of a specific statement is true , this is a long subject but it is basic for programming in general).

@tatzkie23 (770)
• Philippines
28 Jan 12
yes they do. They treat depression by shock therapy. I've seen some people who had that therapy. I was an intern before, we visited a mental institution, and we were able to see people getting shocked. We even held them and strain them, because i think that hurt, and they'll go on convulsion, so we have to protect them. Small volt are passed through their brain, as a result, they get a convulsion and sometimes vomits. It's not good to see them like that, They were so ill. They got depress for so many reasons, like, broken hearted, no family, got fired or everything else you can think off. They have can't cope up from their problems. It's sad to see them suffering. 

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@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
28 Jan 12
Wow...that sounds horrific. I bet you were very torn emotionally as to what to do. I read that the voltage is set to cause a certain seizure. That seizure is the purpose. I also read that the memory loss is actually caused by brain damage. The memory loss is thought to help the patient too.
Thanks for the response.
@celticeagle (189833)
• Boise, Idaho
29 Jan 12
I have actually given this treatment serious thought. I am so tired of being depressed. i went through a periooud of time where the doctor was trying every anti-depressant on the market at that time. Nothing worked. i did think about getting shock treatment. But with my record it probably would work either and I would have memory loss or something else. Ugh!

@celticeagle (189833)
• Boise, Idaho
30 Jan 12
I am on one that helps with the panic attacks. I started taking Paxil again too recently and felt a little boost at first but nothing more so I am going to stop taking it. It was the one I was taking originally that did me so much good. Then I had a bad down hill slump when I had had big trouble with my granddaughter. Most of the others I have tried the side effects were very pronounced and so I quick taking them. So I feel like there is nothing that will help.
@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
30 Jan 12
Don't give up hope. There is one out there for you. It sometimes takes quite a while for the doctor to figure out the right one. People's reaction to medicine is so different. My instructor was saying that it sometimes takes at least 5 changes in medicine to find the right one and by that time alot of people have lost hope and quit trying.
@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
29 Jan 12
Part of the treatment's success rate is the memory loss so that is almost guaranteed.
I think that there are cases in which it might be required but one has to weigh the good against the bad on this one for sure. Are there medications that are helping you now?
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@lelin1123 (15594)
• Puerto Rico
4 Feb 12
Yes, I just found out while watching Dr. Oz this week. I was really surprised by this revelation. Thankfully I don't suffer from depression but if I did I still don't think I would allow this type of treatment. Even though the treatment has been updated I would still be afraid of the outcome.
@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
5 Feb 12
Heyya Lelin!
What did Dr. OZ think about it on his show? Was he promoting it?
The only thing that I can find that has been "updated" is that they sedate the patient before performing it. It would make me very nervous if I were ever faced with that type of treatment.
I like Dr. Oz...I wish I had seen that show.
@bounce58 (17380)
• Canada
30 Jan 12
Although I think that's pretty extreme way to treat a patient, I believe that would actually work for me!
Sometimes when I'm feeling the dumps, it's hard for me to get out of it. I would need something really drastic to get me out of it. And shock therapy sounds really drastic.
@SassyBrat (463)
• Canada
19 Feb 12
I've always known that it was an alternative. I knew someone who receives treatment once a month for ECT (electro-convulsive therapy). She would go to her treatment, be brought home and go to sleep for the afternoon. She didn't have the trauma's associated with many years ago, thankfully.
Have you seen Girl Interrupted or The Ward? Those are movies that are circa 1960's when ECT was used as a primary to anti depressants.
@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
19 Feb 12
Hi SassyBrat. I can't remember seeing those movies. I'll have to check them out.
The research shows that it does have a pretty high success rate for depression but it is at the cost of memories. I suppose that it would be a fair trade for some people.
Thanks for the response.




















