Census=trouble, quite possibly.

@dragon54u (31636)
United States
March 25, 2010 12:31pm CST
I just mailed in my census form. We have the census every 10 years to count the people, figure out how many schools we need, etc. I don't think they have a right to know my birthdate but I put my age for demographic purposes. My phone number is none of their business, nor is my race. They now know that I live alone in a house that I own and I'm 55 years old. Period. The rest of the crap is an invasion of my privacy. Did you fill out every question on your form?
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@gewcew23 (8007)
• United States
25 Mar 10
I have not filled out my census from yet, and I will not until after April the 1st. The census form ask how many people will be living at your address on April the 1st. Well how do I do that? I cannot see into the future. Even after the 1st I am not going to fill out any more than my name and my hubby's name. Nothing else is their business. I have thought about not filling it out all together. When they want to start respecting me I will start respecting them.
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@dragon54u (31636)
• United States
25 Mar 10
They don't need to know your name! All that the founders intended was a count of people, adults and children (and the children are iffy) to figure out how many representatives a state should have. Your name, income, birthday, phone number, etc is none of their damned business!
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• United States
25 Mar 10
Nope. I am not filling it all out there. And I don't blame you either. What is my race? HUMAN...but that is not one of the options so i will leave it blank. My birthday...none your business...but I will tell my age. My phone number...none your business. Weather I own or rent...none of your business. I will tell them the names and ages of each person in my house..that is it.
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@dragon54u (31636)
• United States
25 Mar 10
I wrote in "American" under race, which was probably an invitation for a personal visit but I don't care. Let them make an example of me. They'll be very sorry for all the fuss I can cause. I'm sick of being pushed around by a government that doesn't listen to me.
• United States
26 Mar 10
What does it matter what race you are? What does it matter if you own or rent your home. All they need to know how many of us there are and our ages. That is it.
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@owlwings (43915)
• Cambridge, England
25 Mar 10
I think that your name, birthdate, place of residence, occupation (and, of course, who else was at your address on the date of the census) are all that they need to know. Most people use the census for tracing their ancestors - and that is many years hence when the details are released to the general public. Your phone number would be of no practical use then. The statistics, of course, are collated and used before that but there are (or should be) adequate controls so that you can be confident that no personal data is traceable to you (for example, your SSN should not be on the form at all and your name connected with that address should be unobtainable by anyone for at least 50 years). Censuses are good things (in the long run) because they allow us to trace our ancestors and, eventually, to find out where we come from and what our genetic make up may be. The danger is that, in the short term, the data may be used for purposes other than what is stated. In Europe I believe that we have sufficient safeguards in place. I am not so confident about the United States, which I am beginning to think is beginning to behave like a right wing dictatorship, even though Obama is a puppet rather than a leader.
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@owlwings (43915)
• Cambridge, England
25 Mar 10
Obama is a puppet and a figurehead, I should have said. From outside of the US, I think he does a fairly good job of presenting what Congress want him to present to the outside world. He is an American and yet culturally multinational enough that he can relate to other cultures. He is what America needs (and has chosen) and yet he is young and amenable enough to understand what his people want and probably to be controlled by Congress without him actually realising it. The result - for Americans and for the rest of the world - is quite frightening.
@owlwings (43915)
• Cambridge, England
25 Mar 10
Dragon54u, the reason for the census has nothing to do with politics. Your government may use it in the way you describe (and so does ours) and that is, really, one legitimate use of the census. It is designed to take a snapshot of the entire population at a particular time so that we (meaning the government who represent us) can know who and how many were living where at a certain moment. Because you live in and count yourself a citizen of the country, you have automatically agreed that that information should be available. The census happens every ten years in many countries. What has changed for you in the last ten years?
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@dragon54u (31636)
• United States
25 Mar 10
I think it is behaving like a dictatorship, not right or left wing. I think sides are out of it right now, it's just a determined effort to push us towards Socialism and then over the edge into Marxism. The census is strictly meant to count people so that we know how many representatives each state should be assigned. That's the only reason for it. The government has used it to get really intrusive and though this year isn't as bad as previous census forms, it's bad enough and I complied with the intent of the law only.
@Hatley (163781)
• Garden Grove, California
25 Mar 10
hi dragon44u I have not got my form yet but yes I will fill it out as someday some kin maybe doing their family tree on myfamily and it willhelp them a lot. we use census forms from way back to do our genealogy research and it really helps. I do not mind them knowingmy birthday at all, why should I? also my phone number as every telemarketer in the world already has it even though I am on a do not call list. my friend said really this census form is really not that hard to fill out. why is everyone so uptight over the census anyway,it is done for a number of purposes none of which are bad in my eyes. i suppose since they blame everything but global warming on our new president this is also supposed to be all his fault, this gets tiresome to me. pick on someone else for awhile people.
@spalladino (17891)
• United States
25 Mar 10
I filled out everything but my phone number. I had no problem indicating my race because it's used for demographic purposes and to fund programs which is why they also want to know your age. I couldn't remember if they asked for your birth date the last time around but I went ahead and put it down because I don't want someone coming to my door asking for that information. I have to balance what is in the best interest of myself and my husband in many areas of my life and this was one of them. When the nice man with the GPS thingy stopped by my husband became very irritated and threatened to shoot him if he stepped foot on our properties. My husband has PTSD and he has issues. I doubt they will send someone here over a phone number since some folks don't have phones but they might. As far as that Communtiy Survey thing...I will let WWIII start over that one if we get it because I'm not handing over that much personal and private information to a government agency without a fight.
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@spalladino (17891)
• United States
25 Mar 10
Yeah, that's it...I don't recall the actual name of it but it is very intrusive and nosey. It also asks some pretty stupid questions like how much your property would be worth if it were on the market today? How the heck am I supposed to know that with the way the real estate market is here in Florida? I know what I'd LIKE it to be worth! And, yes, my husband did make that poor man nervous. My youngest daughter wanted to take the test to be a census worker but I convinced her not to. She didn't quite understand what she would be asked to do...they only talk about handing out the forms when they're trying to rope you in.
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• United States
26 Mar 10
I have not filled out my census form yet, but when I do, I will fill out every question. I personally don't see what the big deal is about filling out all of the questions. I'm not offended by it, nor do I view it as offensive. They're simply trying to gather information. Any survey that one participates in now requires the user to fill out age and race. It has never hit me as being personal or offensive on any level.
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@dragon54u (31636)
• United States
26 Mar 10
It's not what the Constitution allows them to do. We've let them stray so far from our founding documents that our founding fathers would not recognize this country. It's time to pull in the reins on our government--WE are the boss, they are supposed to be working for us, not poking into every area of our lives and taxing us into poverty. This is my beginning salvo, with more to come if necessary. I will stick up for myself to preserve my rights and those of my children and grandchildren.
@GardenGerty (157555)
• United States
26 Mar 10
Unfortunately, I am pretty compliant, but I figured that everything they asked for on the census was a matter of record somewhere. Probably online, as everything else in my life is. I will not, however, fill out that other long one, even if I get one.
@dragon54u (31636)
• United States
26 Mar 10
Unlike a lot of people, there's not a lot of info about me on the internet or other records. I've been very private my whole life and dealt mostly in cash for my first 50 years of life. It's my life and it's private, they have no right to dig into it.
@laglen (19759)
• United States
25 Mar 10
I did. I just wanted to be done with it. I bet if you skipped questions, they will come a knockin. I really do not want them knockin!
@dragon54u (31636)
• United States
26 Mar 10
That's fine with me. Let them knock. I will refuse to answer, it violates the purpose of the census and I have a right to privacy. I'm angry enough with this government right now--spanning over the past 15-20 years--that I'm ready to go to court and challenge it if I have to.
@Yuusha (111)
• Sweden
26 Mar 10
We don't have this kind of thing in Sweden as far as I know, but don't they already know this information about you? If so, how does it hurt you to tell them?
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@dragon54u (31636)
• United States
26 Mar 10
They are intruding into our lives. This has been happening slowly but surely over the past 50 years. You know what they say about giving someone an inch and they take a mile? That's our government. They want to "take care" of us so we will depend on them for everything then they can control us. Loss of privacy is important to this goal. And even if I'm wrong, our Constitution says the census is only to count the people, that's all. I and my fellow citizens are supposed to be the bosses, the government is supposed to be our employees. Somehow over the years this got reversed. I'm starting right now to do my part in asserting my rights and putting the government back in the hands of the people, working for us and not special interest groups.
@irishidid (8688)
• United States
25 Mar 10
I did put birth dates. I figured that a bazillion other people were born on those days too. I left out names and other information.
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@dragon54u (31636)
• United States
26 Mar 10
I don't know why they would want your name. It has no use when compiling demographics, as far as I can tell. I'm glad to know I have some company, maybe I'll see you in Club Fed after they arrest us.
• United States
25 Mar 10
I filled it out. But you know I think an age as they requested & maybe year of birth rather than acutal date should be sufficient. I didn't understand if you owned or rented made any difference.... they can tell if you own or rent most of the time by your address it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out.
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@dragon54u (31636)
• United States
25 Mar 10
I let them know that I'm a homeowner because I think the information will be useful considering the economic climate. Otherwise, just age and number of people in the house.
@N4life (851)
• United States
25 Mar 10
Other than number of people in the household all other questions should be voluntary. If you've ever done any kind of research on humans you understand how valuable this other data can be. Research professionals in marketing, sociology, environmental science,etc. etc. all use this data, so there are valid reasons for getting it.
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@dragon54u (31636)
• United States
26 Mar 10
Yes, it can be used for a lot of things but the government has no right to ask it of me. So they didn't get it!
• United States
25 Mar 10
My mom actually recieved three copies of it. (We bought a house that we are converting from a triplex to a home (like it was built as.)) So I get my own copy :P Not that I can send it in, but I looked at it. I don't understand. In the beginning it asks like how many people are in your home, But it doesn't ask their ages except for in individual boxes later in the letter, which suggests you have to fill out all the information. She is determined to give them only the legally demanded amount, but it's kind of confusing. Is she just going to fill in My brother's and mine ages in two other boxes and not tell anything else? If so I feel bad for the guy that handles that one :P I also feel bad for the people with more than 12 people in their households (and you know there are households like that.) Because they only give space for 12 personal information spaces. :P
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@dragon54u (31636)
• United States
25 Mar 10
Since she has you and your brother at home, she should fill in the entire thing--she can't afford to be hauled off to jail, she has an obligation to her children. When she's no longer responsible for anyone, then she can assert her rights. The census was intended only to count the population, not all that other info.
• United States
25 Mar 10
a phone number is one thing, i wouldnt want them bothering me, but i dont see how any of that other stuff can really hurt you just because they know that there is another person of a certain age and a certain color in a certain area...its just statistics, really, and it does affect political stuff, but it doesnt really hurt to tell the truth
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@Latrivia (2878)
• United States
25 Mar 10
Your post just reminded me to fill mine out. I don't want the census bureau contacting me, so all they got was the number of people in my household, their names, and their ages. Why, I wonder, is it necessary to ask first if the people are Hispanic, and then ask what race they are? Isn't it sufficient just to ask for race once?
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@dragon54u (31636)
• United States
25 Mar 10
Good for you, stick up for your rights with this census! Hispanics are a growing segment of our population. They want to know just how much so that they can exploit them. Same with surveys, they always ask that question and many of them boot you out if you're some other race.
@p1kef1sh (45681)
25 Mar 10
Over here they prosecute you if you don't complete the form properly or return it. I am torn on this. As a keen amateur genealogist I find the census returns incredibly useful. Increasingly they are asking questions that are intrusive. My race is fine by me - but my telephone number? Why? Most of what they ask they have already. Yes I comply with the law, but as Mr Bumble said.. “the law is a a$$—a idiot." Our census is next year.
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@dragon54u (31636)
• United States
25 Mar 10
I might be prosecuted, too, but I'll have a lot of company. I think that this year there will be so many people doing what I have done that they might just forget it. Or choose a few to make an example of. I'm ready. I'll raise such a stink and take it clear to the Supreme Court. I didn't know the UK had a census. What do you use it for, beyond nosiness by the government? What questions do they ask you? A couple censuses back, they wanted to know how many bathrooms were in my house.
@dawnald (85135)
• Shingle Springs, California
25 Mar 10
I wouldn't have, but my husband took charge of the census form and answered all the questions...
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@dragon54u (31636)
• United States
25 Mar 10
That's probably best. Our government is becoming more and more intrusive and dictatorial and you probably saved yourself a lot of trouble.
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