The Nature of Work

@GreenMoo (11834)
March 26, 2012 9:00am CST
I don't work for an employer, but probably work harder now than I ever have before in my life. When I have to fill in any sort of form and state my occupation, officials generally classify me as either unemployed (which implies that I'm looking for work) or as a housewife (which annoys me on so many levels!). The implication is that because I don't work for someone else who pays me money for my labours I am unimportant. It set me wondering about the nature of work. What does the word work conjure up for you? Is work something you leave the house to do, something you hate, something you need to do to pay the bills? Or is work something you do for the love of your family, something you do for the simple pleasure you take in doing a fine job, working with your body or stretching your mind? Is your work something you look forward to or a chore?
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18 responses
• United States
26 Mar 12
I'm lucky. For more than 20 years I have been doing work that I like. It is part time but I love it. The money helps me live but if I were rich , I think I would take one day out of the week and volunteer! So it isn't a chore or something I hate.
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• United States
26 Mar 12
I would volunteer at the job I have now.Just come in a day or two.
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@GreenMoo (11834)
26 Mar 12
You are lucky, as you say. We all need a certain amount of cold cash to live, but money is no use if you have no time to enjoy your life. It sounds like you have struck a really good balance. If you don´t mind my asking, if you were rich and volunteering, would it be in the field you currently earn your living in? Or just something to keep you in touch with people and the real world?
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@GreenMoo (11834)
26 Mar 12
Then that´s proof that you´ve found the best job for you.
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@inertia4 (27961)
• United States
27 Mar 12
Aside from work being a four letter word, it means what it means. Work. Work comes in many forms, like manual labor, sitting at a desk, house work. Even taking care of children is work. In reality, a housewife is probably the hardest worker on the planet. They are the ones that keep the house clean, the food cooked, the children fed, the laundry done. And their job is an all day job. From sunrise to sunset. Should a housewife be compensated for their labor? Yes they should. But work these days means plain and simply a slave to the machine. There is no more loyalty in a job today, no matter what it is. We the people are just being used until we are no longer needed. When we hit a certain age, we are deemed to old and therefore no longer productive. But a housewife never gets to retire and will never be fired.
@GreenMoo (11834)
27 Mar 12
That's really well put Inertia, and it's great to see that someone recognises the worth of all the people, both men and women, who work all day to bring up the next generation and keep their families safe and comfortable. I also recognise your point about being a slave to the machine. When you are employed, you are renting yourself out for a portion of your life. I think of that as being a 'job' though, whereas 'work' is something we all have to do at least a little of. Even those of us who are not responsible for homes and families and those who do not have jobs must still do some unpaid work in the form of cooking or personal laundry. So work need not be a dirty word, but something we can gain satisfaction from when done well.
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@inertia4 (27961)
• United States
2 Apr 12
I agree with that. But I know growing up, my mother did all the work in the house. and I know, even though my after brought home the money, she worked harder then him. So that's why I think women should be recognized as hard workers. I do know of any man who does the work of a stay at home wife and mother. Although times have changed and the man does pitch in these days. I still think the brunt falls on the woman. And I do like your analogy about us renting ourselves out for pay. It kind of sounds sad being said that way.
@GardenGerty (157808)
• United States
27 Mar 12
Do they not have a choice of "self employed"? For me, work is what I do to pay the bills, so that I can have and enjoy a "life". Life is all the random other things I do. If you love your work, that is wonderful. I enjoy the work I have been doing lately. I also work online. I believe that work is healthy and necessary for our minds and our bodies, really.
@GreenMoo (11834)
27 Mar 12
I agree that work is healthy. A life of leisure would lose it's appeal if there was no contrast. I include unpaid work in the category of work though, things like housework or gardening. We all have a certain amount of unpaid work to do, whether it be cooking the dinner or laundering our clothes.
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@jillhill (37354)
• United States
26 Mar 12
I acutally like going to work....I like everyone I work with...love the customers. Work to me is any job....even if it's at home. LIke I say on my days off I work at home...housework etc. And if that isn't work I would like to know what is!
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@GreenMoo (11834)
26 Mar 12
You're lucky that your 'away from home' work is something you enjoy. I certainly agree that work in the home is just as much work as that done outside it. It annoys hell out of me when it's dismissed as not 'proper' work, as if one has to wear a suit and carry a briefcase to be admitted to the club.
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@writersedge (22563)
• United States
26 Mar 12
Why aren't you classified as a farmer? Do your officials have their head up their butt or something? Self-employed business owner at the very least or a partnership. Something. Some work is drudgery such as cleaning. Some work is a joy, such as crafting. Most is inbetween like when I bring someone somewhere in my car.
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@GreenMoo (11834)
26 Mar 12
I try not to get cross when completing these forms now. My bank has me classified as a farmer actually, so perhaps removed their heads from their butts on that one occasion. Why it´s necessary for them to classify me at all is a mystery to me as they aren´t lending to me. I think the trick is to try and find the joy in all work. Hard, I know, particularly when it´s of the drudgery sort. But at least when you´ve completed the cleaning you can look back at what you´ve done and take pride in a sparkling house. Until your family come home and dirty it all again of course! The difficulty with much paid work is that it´s often broken down into such tiny parts that each person completes only a tiny part of the overall task, so the reason for the task is obscured. It´s hard to take pride in something meaningless.
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@MandaLee (3758)
• United States
26 Mar 12
I love my jobs. I look forward to them. I am dedicated to them. My boss values my input. Have a wonderful day!
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@GreenMoo (11834)
26 Mar 12
Lucky you! An appreciative boss makes a tremendous difference.
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@pumpkinjam (8542)
• United Kingdom
27 Mar 12
I think "work" can apply to lots of things. I guess it is still largely used to mean "going out of the house to a place of work for pay" but, to me, that is just one definition. I understand your frustration with the assumption that you are "unemployed" or a "housewife". Between myself and my two sisters, some would say that none of us "work" because my older sister works from home (doing something she enjoys and doesn't do much because she doesn't have many clients at the moment), I work part-time, mostly voluntary and I do it because I enjoy it and my little sister is a full-time mum. All of these count as work. Just as an aside, I also have trouble filling in forms because I can't fill in more than one option. You see, I do part-time paid work, I also do voluntary work for the same company and I am a student. So I never know which box to tick! And the type of work I do is never listed so I have to put "junior" or "clerical" or something and I am neither! So, sorry, back to the point. :) Yes, work can be anything which takes up your time, to which you have made a commitment. It can be something which you find a chore or tiresome. Unfortunately, there are still a lot of people who think that if your "work" doesn't follow a formula of: 9-5, employed, paid, outside the home then it doesn't count as work. Forgive me if I am making an incorrect assumption but, I'm guessing that your picture shows your child. They are the hardest work (well, sometimes!) yet many people think that if you look after your own child then you're not doing anything. I was surprised at a friend of mine who has a full time office job. She had said she hadn't got time to do something BECAUSE she worked full time, as if people who don't do what she thinks of as work sit around doing nothing with all the time in the world! Anyway, I think I've answered the question somewhere amongst that. :)
• United Kingdom
28 Mar 12
Of course, I agree that work doesn't have to be a chore! Just that it can be. :) And, you're right, I wouldn't do the voluntary work if I didn't enjoy it. Well, I wouldn't have continued to do it in the first place. Now, I think I have been doing it for so long that, sometimes, it feels like I can't not do it! It was originally intended so that I could get some experience and go on to a "proper" job but I'm still volunteering after 8 years!
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@GreenMoo (11834)
1 Apr 12
I think, after 8 years, you can count it as 'proper'!
@GreenMoo (11834)
27 Mar 12
Indeed you have, and very well too :) You're one of very few respondents to this discussion who have recognised that work does not have to be for an employer, which I think is what I was hoping to expand upon in the discussion. I imagine you are quite right when you say that most people see work as fitting a 9-5 formula. You say that work can be something that you find a chore or tiresome. Would you not agree though that it can also be something which you enjoy, something fulfilling, something from which it's possible to gain personal satisfaction? Being a parent would tick all those boxes for instances, as would your volunteer work I imagine. I'm making the assumption that you wouldn't do it if it didn't!
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• Canada
26 Mar 12
I know what you mean. I am not emplyed either, and I am not yet self employed. I am working on getting a business started, but it hasn't happened yet. I'm not a typical housewife either, but I don't just sit around and do nothing. The idea of "work" really needs to be re-evaluated by societies everywhere.
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@GreenMoo (11834)
26 Mar 12
I think the word work has become confused with the word job. I do not have a job, but I have plenty of work.
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@Hatley (163781)
• Garden Grove, California
26 Mar 12
hi greenmoo oh gloy glory whee I am retired, retired , r etired. 85 but still miss working int the library. For 23 years I worked as a page shelving media, books, magazines, cds, dvds, what have you and I really loved my job and the crew. the staff was the best and I think I enjoyed comine to work as much because of the people I worked with as b ecause I felt we helped people in lots os ways. reading,, learning, getting free movies towatch, newspapers, magazines, classes in ha ndicraft, childrens hours, story times, something for ever yone. It was so different from the first part of my life, from 20 to into my fifties Iworked full and part time as a nurse's aide. I loved iknowing I was helping people and also loving the changing demands, especially on the 3 to 11 shift, emergency surgery working in the ER specialing with some private patients, it fulfilled my need to help others,.but when my son was nearly full grown,my husband had to have a colostomy and cancer surgery. He was laid up so I went back to work part time in an entirely new kind of job, working in the library as a page, less strenuous but fulfilling as I love to read myself, and felt I was again helping others too.I never hated what i did as I liked my jobs whether in a hospital setting or in the library. I worked for pleasure and for family as the rent must be paid, food must b e bought so someone had to bring in the money and right then I was the person who was physically able to work.Here in southern California to pay the damned rent just about anyone who was over 17 had to work just to pay the damned high rents. ONe paycheck generally does not cover the rent unless one is a doctor, or lawyer, on maybe Indian chief ha, but seriously rents of 1300 to 1500 are common and few one paycheck will coverthat so everyone in the family has to work. and contribute to the damned rent.
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@GreenMoo (11834)
26 Mar 12
It´s good to hear from someone who has such happy memories of their work. Even though it must have been stressful at times, particularly when you were working in ER, you felt you were achieving something. I think that is key to enjoying your work.
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@katsmeow1213 (28717)
• United States
30 Mar 12
Working, for me, is definitely a chore. Even though I like my job for the most part and I'm well suited for it, I still don't enjoy getting up to go to it everyday. I do it for my family. I spent 8 years as a stay at home mom, and for those 8 years we struggled financially. It was tough not being able to provide my kids with the things they needed, and I always felt rather useless. I stayed home mostly because I had to. I couldn't afford child care and didn't really have anyone who could watch the children for me for cheap or even free. On occasion I would try various scenarios. I tried having my mother watch them for me, but she lived 1/2 an hour away on a bad side of town, and doesn't drive. So I'd have to drive for an hour before and after work just for a babysitter. I tried working overnights, but got so exhausted. Normally I'm a light sleeper and I thought I'd be okay snoozing on the sofa while the kids played nearby and I'd hear anything they got into. Nope.. I'd wake up to see they'd gotten into the fridge and it's entire contents was all over my house! More stress than it was worth! I tried having the in-laws babysit, but they weren't always reliable and I was almost constantly 5 minutes late for work every single day. About a year ago when I started working at Subway I was having my FIL babysit, and that wasn't exactly perfect either. My kids stressed him out too much. I'd come home and hear about how they'd been wild and crazy the whole time and didn't listen to him, etc. In the end I started slowly working on teaching my oldest how to babysit. I started by leaving them alone just while I ran to the store. Then I'd leave them for an hour. Then they were left alone while I went to work and we called every 1/2 hour to check on them. He'd take turns with FIL.. he'd watch them some nights and FIL would watch them some nights. It seemed to work out for the most part until FIL got too sick to watch them anymore and it was all on my son. Thankfully now I'm working a day job. I have my youngest in full time day care which is expensive but worth it. I get home usually within an hour or so of my kids getting home from school, and the oldest will watch them until I'm home or on days they have no school. Ok, so that wasn't the point of this.. but I felt like sharing! LOL
@GreenMoo (11834)
1 Apr 12
Share away! When me eldest was young I worked full time and he was in professional nursery. I went back to work when he was five weeks old, through necessity (or what I thought then was necessity!). In complete contrast I was home full time when my youngest was young. I loved it, but now that I've done both I think I'm in a good position to understand how each mother and each child is different. Yes it's great to be there for your kids, but it's also great to do something for yourself and be out of the house and making friends and money. And as you say, for our families. I'm very pleased it's working for you. Sounds like it's been quite a struggle to get it to all come together!
• United States
1 Apr 12
Both situations are difficult, either being a stay at home mom or being a working mom. After doing both I will definitely not say one is easier than the other. Working moms do have a big job. They have to find adequate child care, earn enough to afford it while bringing some money home to make working worth while, miss and worry about their child all day, and still come home to do most of the chores a typical stay at home mom has to do like laundry, dinner, dishes, baths, etc. Especially in my situation since my husband works till 9pm most nights (50 hour work weeks) so I get very little help from him, and on his days off while he will do dishes, cook dinner, and bathe the children, aside from that he generally would rather spend his time off relaxing and doing things for himself instead of taking some burdens off of me. But it isn't really any easier for stay at home moms. I always felt rather useless and meaningless as a stay at home mom. Especially when my family was struggling. Sure I knew my kids were well cared for, and I had the time to take them places and get them involved in things, and go to their school functions. But as a stay at home mom you still have days where you really don't want to do anything, and you can't exactly ask your working partner to help so you can take some time off, you know. Hubby and I used to have a lot of fights over that. I wanted a day off each week from handling the kids and doing the housework, but he felt he shouldn't have to do it and he should have his days off to relax. I had to make him see that doing housework and caring for the kids was my full time job and I deserved a day off also. We still kind of fight over it a bit even with me working and in school. I still feel like I want more help and he's usually too tired and overworked to offer much help. Although I think being a working mom, at least for me, is physically harder because I have to do many different jobs, including all the same jobs as I did when I stayed home.. being a stay at home mom was emotionally more diffucult because of the worthless feelings and the lack of getting out without children to meet people or interact with the world. Both have their ups and downs.
@bagarad (14283)
• Paso Robles, California
26 Mar 12
We earn most of our money from rentals, so my retired husband classifies himself as a self-employed property manager. He definitely has to work hard at it, and not only when it's convenient for him. I just classify myself as self-employed and my occupation as Internet Bookseller. I'd love to switch that to Freelance Writer someday, but I'm not making enough to eat on yet -- just enough to fund a few political donations I could not make otherwise. I believe my writing has more potential to do good than my bookselling, which I'd love to retired from. I get paid very little for what I really enjoy doing, and although it is work, it doesn't seem like it. The book selling does seem like work -- work I'll never finish. As far as housework goes, I don't get much beyond cooking, cleaning up afterwards, laundry, and occasional other chores. fortunately my husband has hired someone to do the heavy stuff. I have only really enjoyed one job -- that was my work as a card buyer at Logos of Westwood for nine years. You can read about those years and see pictures of my kingdom" here: http://www.squidoo.com/my-life-in-greeting-cards- I did not consider that job work. In fact, before they hired my I volunteered for a few weeks, since it was a nonprofit organization. For me, work is something I have to do that I would rather not do. Thus, cooking is sometimes work and sometimes not, depending on how I feel at the moment and what I'm giving up to do it.
@GreenMoo (11834)
27 Mar 12
That's an interesting definition of 'work'. In an ideal world we would be able to take satisfaction from all our work, because everything we do would have meaning. Even cleaning the house, something I really can't be bothered with when there are so many more interesting things to do, should not be an obligation if we look at it as something we are gifting to our families.
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@talfonso (246)
• United States
26 Mar 12
How you look at work depends on what you do and where your work. I work with a network marketing business, and I had a lot of speed bumps. There were people saying that they aren't looking for an extra stream of income and them saying that I needed a real job. Even if I'm doing that work-from-home kind of smarm, I am looking for a real job on the side or if there are no places for me to work at a place for me to do volunteering. Voluntary work mostly does not pay, but the rewards trump all fields of work, even network marketing. As well as actually working, I'm also helping others by volunteering. As a network marketer myself, it provides me with an ample opportunity to meet new people and find new sponsors or customers. But I cautioned myself: I should ask them common questions about their lives and hand out contacts (in the form of paper notes or business cards) first. That way, they'll get warmed up to see what I do in the business. So there you have it - the nature of work is variable. How you view it determines whether it's bad work or good work. I'm going to work in two fields: at home and voluntary.
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@GreenMoo (11834)
26 Mar 12
What sort of volunteering do you do Talfonso? I don´t volunteer at the moment, but when I did I enjoyed it hugely. I think part of that was simply being there because I wanted to be, and those around me appreciating my presence!
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@MissPiggy (1748)
• Indonesia
26 Mar 12
Well, I think a "housewife" is also classified as an occupation. Not many women can be a good housewife, just as not many people can be a good employee. I've always wanted to be a housewife after I get married. Taking care of family can be challenging. I believe educating children is the hardest work ever. So don't be so hard to yourself. Heheh... I think a "work" is something that we have to do because we love it, and because we can also learn from it.
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@GreenMoo (11834)
27 Mar 12
MissPiggy, your last sentence sums up just how I feel about it. I was trying, in this discussion, to get people to think about work other than just paid employment. I agree that being a housewife is every bit as important as being an employee. The work, done well, is so important to the comfort and wellbeing of the family and the next generation. However, I'm not a very good one! My house looks like an earthquake has just shaken it!
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@Vvance (280)
• United States
26 Mar 12
My personal opinion is that work is something that people do only because they have to. To pay the bills, to use one of your options. They 'work' because that's what gets them the basic needs for survival. Most office-going people would consider their work/job a chore. I wouldn't call it 'work' if you enjoyed it. Even if it was paying me, I would think of it, well, as a fun activity. Take myLot for example. We earn but we have fun as well. That can't be called work, can it? None of us say "Don't stay up , I'll be working" when we're on myLot, right? In my opinion, all 'work' that people do should be like that. You shouldn't have to drag yourself to office. I think the chances are that 'work' as we see it will soon be drastically redefined globally. We may even, in time, be 'working' from home.
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@talfonso (246)
• United States
26 Mar 12
And how! I am one of the people working from home, thank you very much. In fact, I am a network marketer! Also, I'm looking for volunteering opportunities as well. Not only do I expand my people circle, increasing my likelihood of new business partners and customers. I'm also reaching out the the community!
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@GreenMoo (11834)
26 Mar 12
Vvance, I don´t agree with you. I think work is anything that isn´t leisure. So that includes cleaning the house, doing the errands or leaving the house to work in an office somewhere. The key thing is that I think it does not have to be paid. I don´t get paid, but I don´t spend my days in leisure! Think of the language people use. ´I´m going to work in the garden´, as an example. Secondly, I think work can be fun. OK, I wouldn´t consider myLot to be work, but let´s use the example above again. Most people don´t have to work in their gardens. The majority do so because they enjoy it. But double digging a veg patch is hard manual labour, hard work! I do agree though that we should enjoy our work. It´s the fact that so many of us are engaged in meaningless tasks that makes work an often unpleasant thought. I think too that work as we see it should be redefined. But I feel that it is the definition of work that we should start with! The be all and end all of life is not money after all.
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@GreenMoo (11834)
26 Mar 12
Talfonso - I´m glad that what you´re doing is working out for you. I appreciate the links between your livelihood and your volunteering work. Both bring you into contact with people, who are key.
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@sharra1 (6340)
• Australia
30 Mar 12
So true, our society is designed so that you are only counted as productive if you work for money, any other form of work of labour no matter how beneficial is regarded as worthless. I found the same thing when I graduated university, I was astonished that even University employers regarded my time spent working hard to earn a good degree were worthless because I had not worked for money. In their eyes I was no better than someone who had been unemployed for years. I was so shell-shocked at the time that I became quite depressed; in fact it took me a couple of years to break the depression. In my mind I had changed from a very ordinary student to achieve a good honours degree and now I was being told that all that work and achievement was worthless and worse than that by a University employer who should have understood and appreciated the achievement. They thought I should have worked for money as well as studied full time although I have no idea where I would have found the time to hold down two jobs. The biggest insult was being asked if I knew how to set an alarm clock and get up in the morning. I had worked full time for a few years before going to Uni and I was in my late twenties at the time so I took the comment to be seriously insulting. I think there is something fundamentally wrong with our method of evaluating work as only something that you do for money. I would regard you as self employed, not unemployed.
@GreenMoo (11834)
1 Apr 12
I think there is something fundamentally wrong with our method of evaluating work as only something that you do for money. This is what I was trying to get at with my discussion. So glad somebody 'got it'!
• Australia
30 Mar 12
Fortunately for me, I spent large periods of my life as either a musician or a cook, and since I love both professions I usually enjoyed what I was doing. I suppose I would draw a line between work and drudgery, and when a job became drudgery, as some did even in those periods, I walked, and to hell with the economic ramifications. In the same way I consider that professionalism has nothing to do with whether you get paid for what you do, it has to do with how well you do it. Lash
@GreenMoo (11834)
1 Apr 12
Both very creative roles, requiring an input of self. Professionalism, I agree with you. But when was the last time you heard someone caring for their children or for elderly parents described as professional?
@bounce58 (17387)
• Canada
31 Mar 12
These days, my work, or my job is something I go to which I've classified as a chore. I have a small online business which I (kinda) like doing but I've found that for the effort that I put in, the return isn't much (maybe it'll pick up soon). I've been wanting to switch careers. I wanted to be in a field where I can help people, while still earning enough for me and my family. If I can find such a job, then I wouldn't call it work anymore.
@GreenMoo (11834)
1 Apr 12
I wish you all the luck in the world with both your online business and your career change aspirations. Once work becomes a chore, I think it's time to move on. Much easier said than done of course!
26 Mar 12
its very important think to work in life........
@GreenMoo (11834)
26 Mar 12
Yes, itºs important to work to feel that you achieved something. But it does not have to be paid work.
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